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do you recognize Israel as legitimate

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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2017, 01:18:43 PM »
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  • S. Augustine also comes to mind, prompted by the word "legitimate"; "An unjust law, is no law at all."

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    That unsticky box has got to go the way of the dodo.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #16 on: October 11, 2017, 01:28:16 PM »
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  • "Let's see,"  indeed...
    So how is it if I jack your stuff it's illegal and immoral, but if a country does it...?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #17 on: October 11, 2017, 01:31:48 PM »
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  • So how is it if I jack your stuff it's illegal and immoral, but if a country does it...?
    Imperialistic Jew "privilege?"

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #18 on: October 11, 2017, 03:50:34 PM »
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  • No argument from me on the theological point.  But what causes Israel to be politically "illegitimate"?  As I said, conquest has always been a legitimate means of creating or expanding a state, historically speaking.  Although Israel was created by the UN, they fought to make it a reality, and then conquered more lands to expand it.  Not pretty, but not "illegitimate" either.
    They were given land which was not the giver's to give.  When you are a custodian of someone else's property and you unlawfully give to a third party, that is nothing less than theft.  And besides the modern Jews are not a "people", they are a mongrelized alien race which has little connection to the ancient Hebrews and even less of a right to claim the Holy Land as their inheritance.
    In short, in temporal terms, legitimate is synonomous with lawfulness, and in the end what is and is not lawful issues from the natural law.
    Pius X would not recognize that entity because it was not legitimate, and its creation was a violation of God's law and decrees.  These things matter here among Christians, I would assume.

    You base your claim upon the UN recognizing them, but that is ludicrous because the UN is illigitimate in and of itself, and was created largly according to Jewish principles and under the influence and power of Jews and Masonry, then and now.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #19 on: October 11, 2017, 05:07:46 PM »
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  • So how is it if I jack your stuff it's illegal and immoral, but if a country does it...?
    If we are going to go by this standard, then there are no countries in the world that are "legitimate" today.


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #20 on: October 11, 2017, 06:06:57 PM »
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  • So the UN gave land that wasn’t theirs to give.  Whose land was it?  Certainly not the Arab Muslims, as they took it illegitimately from the Crusader states.  But of course the Crusaders took it from the Arabs.  But the Arabs took it from the Byzantines, who succeeded the Romans.  But the Romans took it from the Jews.  But the Jews revolted against the Seleucid Empire, who succeeded the Macedonians.  But the Macedonians took it from the Persians, and so on and so on and so on.

    So, whose land it is?

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #21 on: October 11, 2017, 06:43:21 PM »
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  • If we are going to go by this standard, then there are no countries in the world that are "legitimate" today.
    The idea of a country is not accurate here as a useful term.  Starting with the Trinity we have the Father, his children, the family, the community which is again modeled after the family, and the communities altogether become a nation. A Nation of like people of the same blood, language,  religion, and customs, and each Nation a result of God's creation of particular peoples and His Divine order in the world. This order came organically and by design and who would dare say that France or Italy, or Germany, were founded in an illegitimate way when God and the Church consecrated each one to the True Religion and the Holy Roman Empire? And blessed thier Kings.
    This band of usurers and criminals which dare call themselves Israel should in justice be driven from that Sacred place and scattered as God has decreed it should be. How could they be legitimate when they occupy that place directly against the Divine will?

    Once this land was sactified by the blood of the Savior, it was off the market as a place to be bought and sold and traded to Pagans, Satanists and false religions.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #22 on: October 11, 2017, 06:45:02 PM »
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  • Mine above,

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #23 on: October 11, 2017, 06:50:28 PM »
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    As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people

    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." -Pope St. Pius X

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #24 on: October 11, 2017, 09:58:32 PM »
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  • I see Poche voted.


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #25 on: October 11, 2017, 11:57:34 PM »
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  • If we are going to go by this standard, then there are no countries in the world that are "legitimate" today.
    1. Careful with words like "no", "none", "never" etc.
    2. If so, so what?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #26 on: October 12, 2017, 12:01:54 AM »
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    As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people
    "...therefore..."
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #27 on: February 25, 2018, 03:48:03 PM »
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  • Modern-day Israel is the fulfillment of prophesy.  To oppose Israel is to oppose the will of God, who has not abandoned "the Chosen People".  


    "I say then: Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people, which he foreknew.

    ... For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles should come in."  - Romans 11:1-25

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #28 on: February 25, 2018, 04:42:16 PM »
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  • AnthonyB, modern day Israel,is not populated with Israelites. Hang around and read more threads and you will come to understand that Israelis are not the Chosen People of God. The Jews rejected Jesus, and now that chosen-ness belongs to faithful Catholics.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #29 on: February 25, 2018, 04:53:42 PM »
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  • Modern-day Israel is the fulfillment of prophesy.  To oppose Israel is to oppose the will of God, who has not abandoned "the Chosen People".  

    There was a time when Marranos lurked in the shadows, but now they work in the light of day....

    Or perhaps, did your Rabbi put you up to this?

    Nevertheless, I'm sure Poche and graceseeker will welcome you with open arms...

     

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