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do you recognize Israel as legitimate

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do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
« on: October 10, 2017, 09:08:56 AM »
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    • is there a right to the Jєωιѕн state?
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 09:14:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 10, 2017, 09:14:21 AM
    "Pax Christi, in regno Christi"

    (I think that's correct Latin, though I'm hardly a scholar.)
    Signed, 

    DZ P
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 10:25:36 AM »
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    • The poll question, "do you recognize Isreal as legitimate?" and the question asked in the opening post, "is there a right to the Jєωιѕн state?" are two very different questions.

    What specifically is being asked?
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 10:32:00 AM »
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    •  :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:........................... :laugh2:
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 10:46:39 AM »
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    • I would've taken this thread a little more seriously, if it weren't for the "Hebe" cloaked in the world of anominity... ohh wait, business as usual...
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 02:59:17 PM »
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    • What do you mean by "legitimate"?  The State of Israel essentially exists due to conquest, and support from a large and very powerful ally.  Nations and even empires have been formed in this way countless times throughout history.  Were they "legitimate"?
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2017, 03:11:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 10, 2017, 02:59:17 PM
    What do you mean by "legitimate"?  The State of Israel essentially exists due to conquest, and support from a large and very powerful ally.  Nations and even empires have been formed in this way countless times throughout history.  Were they "legitimate"?
    They are neither theologically nor politically "legitimate".  The above post is mine as well.
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 04:53:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 10, 2017, 09:08:56 AM
    is there a right to the Jєωιѕн state?
    There is a right for the Jєωs in that state to convert to the Catholic Faith.
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 04:57:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 11, 2017, 04:57:24 AM
    Poche, more golf  :applause: for you.

    Well said.

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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 08:21:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on October 11, 2017, 04:53:51 AM
    There is a right for the Jєωs in that state to convert to the Catholic Faith.
    Whatever next
    I am shocked to find myself up voting poche.
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 12:00:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on October 10, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
    They are neither theologically nor politically "legitimate".  The above post is mine as well.
    No argument from me on the theological point.  But what causes Israel to be politically "illegitimate"?  As I said, conquest has always been a legitimate means of creating or expanding a state, historically speaking.  Although Israel was created by the UN, they fought to make it a reality, and then conquered more lands to expand it.  Not pretty, but not "illegitimate" either.
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #11 on: October 11, 2017, 12:40:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 11, 2017, 12:00:08 PM
    No argument from me on the theological point.  But what causes Israel to be politically "illegitimate"?  As I said, conquest has always been a legitimate means of creating or expanding a state, historically speaking.  Although Israel was created by the UN, they fought to make it a reality, and then conquered more lands to expand it.  Not pretty, but not "illegitimate" either.

    The heck you say... "Balfor Declaration" mean anything to you? 
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #12 on: October 11, 2017, 12:44:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Ignatius on October 11, 2017, 12:40:21 PM
    The heck you say... "Balfor Declaration" mean anything to you?
    1. Conquest via what means?

    ("Iusus Bellae", for one, is almost certainly applicable here, but let's see.) 
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #13 on: October 11, 2017, 01:09:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
    1. Conquest via what means?

    ("Iusus Bellae", for one, is almost certainly applicable here, but let's see.)
    "Let's see,"  indeed...
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    Re: do you recognize Israel as legitimate?
    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2017, 01:18:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 11, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
    S. Augustine also comes to mind, prompted by the word "legitimate"; "An unjust law, is no law at all."

    DZ P
    That unsticky box has got to go the way of the dodo.
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