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Do we become like angels when we die?
« on: June 15, 2018, 07:58:20 PM »
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    • Recently at our TLM Chapel, we heard a sermon in which this was said:

    "Heaven itself is populated by an 'elite' assembly of men and women who were faithful to Christ until the end. . .
    "those who manage to enter the Celestial Kingdom will be like angels."

    This does not sound Catholic:
    elites instead of saints?
    we will be like angels?
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #1 on: June 16, 2018, 02:38:28 AM »
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    • You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. [30] For in the resurrection they shall neither marry nor be married; but shall be as the angels of God in heaven.

    Matthew 22.
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #2 on: June 16, 2018, 03:55:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 15, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
    Recently at our TLM Chapel, we heard a sermon in which this was said:

    "Heaven itself is populated by an 'elite' assembly of men and women who were faithful to Christ until the end. . .
    "those who manage to enter the Celestial Kingdom will be like angels."

    This does not sound Catholic:
    elites instead of saints?
    we will be like angels?
    It sounds like he is paraphrasing something Jesus said.
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #3 on: June 16, 2018, 02:57:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 15, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
    Recently at our TLM Chapel, we heard a sermon in which this was said:

    "Heaven itself is populated by an 'elite' assembly of men and women who were faithful to Christ until the end. . .
    "those who manage to enter the Celestial Kingdom will be like angels."

    This does not sound Catholic:
    elites instead of saints?
    we will be like angels?

    You better believe the saints are elite!  The few, the humble, the mighty.

    What does elite mean? "The select few, the winners" and that's exactly what everyone who makes it to heaven is: a winner, a survivor, a champion. And how many people save their souls? Very, very few, according to most saints and even Christ Himself. "Strive ye to enter by the narrow gate...", "Many are called but few are chosen."

    Anyone who saves his soul is not just a "1%er" but more like a 0.001%-er.

    Of course, the so-called "1%ers" on earth, the super-wealthy who own 90% of the world's property, who are called "the Elite" here on earth, will almost certainly NOT be among those who save their souls -- but I digress :)

    Matthew
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #4 on: June 17, 2018, 07:48:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on June 16, 2018, 02:38:28 AM
    You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God. [30] For in the resurrection they shall neither marry nor be married; but shall be as the angels of God in heaven.

    Matthew 22.
    This specifically says that in terms of not being married we shall be as the angels who are not married. It does not support a "Touched by an Angel" New Age notion that we will literally be like angels.
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #5 on: June 17, 2018, 08:42:22 PM »
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    • Did I miss something? Did someone mention "Touched by an Angel" New Age?
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #6 on: June 17, 2018, 10:34:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 16, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
    Anyone who saves his soul is not just a "1%er" but more like a 0.001%-er.

    Matthew
    Wow. I am surprised by your pessimism, Matthew. If you are correct and do the math, then only one in a hundred thousand people (presumably adults who reach the age of reason) will be saved. That is pretty rare to be saved then. And if one would consider the possibility of being that one in a hundred thousand might lead to pride. I thought I was the only person who considered the thought of the possibility of salvation being so rare. In the famous sermon on the fewness of the saved two private revelations are mentioned that claim the rate of salvation was around one in ten thousand. But you place it at one in a hundred thousand. With such odds wouldn't one flee to the desert and eat weeds and wild honey and wait for the raven to come to bring you bread? And if one was married wouldn't one want to have relations as rarely as possible and have as little pleasure as possible for fear that one will fall into sin. And wouldn't we all have as little pleasure as possible and pray as often as we could for fear of falling in to hell because only the best of the best will be saved? For only one in a hundred thousand will be saved. But how many people are there in the world? Let me estimate there are five billion people who will reach the age of reason, that would mean that of those people, only fifty thousand will be saved. Is that too rare? Well let us assume that most of the people who are saved are traditional Catholics. So how many of those are there? I will assume here that there are one million of them. And of that million, one in twenty will be saved. That makes fifty thousand. So in my chapel, perhaps one or two will be saved. And on Cathinfo, 160 will be saved. That's bleak. But I don't think you really think salvation is so rare, but were just saying a percentage without thinking. But I thought it was interesting that you would say that.
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #7 on: June 17, 2018, 10:37:00 PM »
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #8 on: June 18, 2018, 01:27:53 AM »
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    And on Cathinfo, 160 will be saved. That's bleak.
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    Does making a lot of posts with lots of up-thumbs make any difference?
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    Or do downthumbs count toward Purgatory?
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 04:44:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 18, 2018, 01:27:53 AM
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    Does making a lot of posts with lots of up-thumbs make any difference?
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    Or do downthumbs count toward Purgatory?
    That makes Cathinfo look like the Jehovah's Witnesses.
     :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:
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    Re: Do we become like angels when we die?
    « Reply #10 on: June 18, 2018, 10:45:32 AM »
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    • Fewness of the Saved, St Leonard of Port Maurice

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