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« on: September 25, 2013, 10:57:48 AM »
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  • If a son is the last in a particular family's line, does he have an obligation to marry, in order to attempt to carry on the family line, or may he remain single or enter religion?

    Do the wishes of family members, such as the father, affect the decision?  For example, if the father mandated the son marry in order to carry on the family line, would it be a sin against the fourth commandment to disobey?


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    « Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 11:03:30 AM »
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  • Parents don't have that kind of say over their adult children's lives. I'd hope most parents would be thrilled with the many spiritual children a son in religious life would have.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 12:07:06 PM »
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    Parents don't have that kind of say over their adult children's lives. I'd hope most parents would be thrilled with the many spiritual children a son in religious life would have.


    This.

    Parents can offer counsel to their children, and ideally parents should be wiser than their children. But unfortunately that's not ALWAYS the case. Look at how many parents-of-Trads are still content with the Novus Ordo!

    Under pain of invalidity, the Marriage contract must involve the free consent of both parties.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 12:35:12 PM »
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  • With all those pretty girls at Trad Chapels, I think only taking Holy Orders would prevent a fine young man from marrying and having as many children as God blesses them with.  

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    « Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 01:55:34 PM »
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  • Can someone explain the Church doctrine on the vocation of bachelorhood/bachelorettehood?

    This is a vocation I'm not familiar with.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 02:21:49 PM »
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    With all those pretty girls at Trad Chapels, I think only taking Holy Orders would prevent a fine young man from marrying and having as many children as God blesses them with.  


    Well, there are the dynamics of cliques at the Mass centres to consider, as well as the dynamics in the families of these "all those pretty girls at Trad Chapels" (which I have not seen because all I see are either married women, old matrons, or girls who look too young for me to consider courting).

    Seriously, since when did trads become so pragmatically minded: it seems that only a Catholic man has value when he is either in the Priesthood or married.

    There is such a thing as a Religious vocation, and there is such a thing (and I now this will sound like a novelty to trads) as contemplative vocations.

    The single life is also a legitimate vocation: it should not be the norm, but trads who condemn it so hastily and arrogantly and Priests who are too incompetent to treat it in the proper light (either in the Confessional or at the pulpit) make it as if trads committed to the single life are somehow defective.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 02:24:35 PM »
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    Do the wishes of family members, such as the father, affect the decision?  For example, if the father mandated the son marry in order to carry on the family line, would it be a sin against the fourth commandment to disobey?


    It is the teaching of the Saints that the Fourth Commandment does not apply in this case, especially when it comes to the matter of Sacerdotal or Religious vocation. St. Thomas taught that even flight/escape was a reasonable course of action when parents were adamantly or violently opposed to entrance into Religion.

    St. Thomas spoke from experience...

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    « Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 02:37:59 PM »
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    Do the wishes of family members, such as the father, affect the decision?  For example, if the father mandated the son marry in order to carry on the family line, would it be a sin against the fourth commandment to disobey?


    It is the teaching of the Saints that the Fourth Commandment does not apply in this case, especially when it comes to the matter of Sacerdotal or Religious vocation. St. Thomas taught that even flight/escape was a reasonable course of action when parents were adamantly or violently opposed to entrance into Religion.

    St. Thomas spoke from experience...


    But unlike many on Cathinfo and other Trad Catholic fora, St. Thomas stuck to principles and didn't let subjectivism or his own personal life cloud his thinking.

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    « Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 06:13:00 PM »
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    The single life is also a legitimate vocation: it should not be the norm, but trads who condemn it so hastily and arrogantly and Priests who are too incompetent to treat it in the proper light (either in the Confessional or at the pulpit) make it as if trads committed to the single life are somehow defective.


    It's not a legitimate vocation is someone is dating at the same time.  They should live a chaste life.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 06:42:53 PM »
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  • What about the only son and heir of a king?

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    « Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 07:12:34 PM »
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    The single life is also a legitimate vocation: it should not be the norm, but trads who condemn it so hastily and arrogantly and Priests who are too incompetent to treat it in the proper light (either in the Confessional or at the pulpit) make it as if trads committed to the single life are somehow defective.


    It's not a legitimate vocation is someone is dating at the same time.  They should live a chaste life.


    This is very true: for one who is committed to the single life, celibacy is a process of self-detachment and mortification, and if one entertains the notion of "what if" or "maybe I'll go and see what it's like to date" then one is not celibate: abstaining from sex acts by default is not the same thing as Christian virtue of chastity, especially when  one exposes himself to occasions of sin by "dating" without intent to marry.

    A momentary lapse may be absolved by the Sacrament of Sacred Penance and by works of penance and reparation, but these lapses must be an occasion for one to enter into a more profound self-examination so that one may avoid future lapses and truly comprehend the sacrifices demanded by chastity. Otherwise, one would fall into the pernicious habit of lapsing, Confessing, praying the imposed penance, and days later repeat the process: this devalues celibacy and gives a perilous occasion to the cultivation of a tepid heart and lax conscience. Chastity involves the continual and ever-progressing mortification of the will and of the senses, an unceasing purification of the self so that it strives to a greater and more ardent charity, both fraternal and divine. The solitude of chastity is not the loneliness or desolation of those who are culpably inadequate for a healthy relationship that has marriage for its end, but rather a supernatural integration of self and the union of the cohesive self with God in total self-abandonment: this in turn naturally leads to fraternal charity as manifested in corporal and spiritual acts of mercy.

    Celibacy is the "default setting" of any Catholic worthy of the name. Sacred matrimony alone endows a man and his wife with the privileges of availing themselves of their nuptial rights, whilst the Priesthood and Holy Religion transfigure and elevate celibacy into consecrated virginity/chastity. The single life, though bereft of the blessings of marriage and the graces of consecrated chastity, can indeed be spiritually fruitful if one endeavors to practice the theological and moral virtues and persevere and progress in such endeavor so that one may be detached from self and things to serve God and those whom He loves in a greater way.

    Fr. Dominic Unger, O. F. M. Cap., wrote about the single life in his book The Mystery of Love for the Single (Chicago: Franciscan Herald Press, 1958; reprined by TAN), and based his teachings on the Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius XII Sacra virginitas (25 March 1954). If one wishes to know about how the single life should be viewed, this is the book to read.
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    Do the wishes of family members, such as the father, affect the decision?  For example, if the father mandated the son marry in order to carry on the family line, would it be a sin against the fourth commandment to disobey?


    It is the teaching of the Saints that the Fourth Commandment does not apply in this case, especially when it comes to the matter of Sacerdotal or Religious vocation. St. Thomas taught that even flight/escape was a reasonable course of action when parents were adamantly or violently opposed to entrance into Religion.

    St. Thomas spoke from experience...


    But unlike many on Cathinfo and other Trad Catholic fora, St. Thomas stuck to principles and didn't let subjectivism or his own personal life cloud his thinking.

     :wink:


    It's more than that, Matthew: it is a sincere and synoptic view of the interior life and all that it entails and demands; a striving for the truly supernatural, which would inform and orient the soul to its true and proper end.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 09:41:45 PM »
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  • No one ever has an obligation to marry.
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    If a son is the last in a particular family's line, does he have an obligation to marry, in order to attempt to carry on the family line, or may he remain single or enter religion?


    It seems to me that it is pious and praiseworthy to be concerned with the legacy of one's family and the perpetuity of its line, but it is far more pious and praiseworthy to enter religion.  Many saints have ended their family lines -- even against the vigorous protests of their family members -- in order to pursue perfection as religious.

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    No to both.

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    The single life is also a legitimate vocation: it should not be the norm, but trads who condemn it so hastily and arrogantly and Priests who are too incompetent to treat it in the proper light (either in the Confessional or at the pulpit) make it as if trads committed to the single life are somehow defective.


    It's not a legitimate vocation is someone is dating at the same time.  They should live a chaste life.


    This is very true: for one who is committed to the single life, celibacy is a process of self-detachment and mortification, and if one entertains the notion of "what if" or "maybe I'll go and see what it's like to date" then one is not celibate: abstaining from sex acts by default is not the same thing as Christian virtue of chastity, especially when  one exposes himself to occasions of sin by "dating" without intent to marry.

    A momentary lapse may be absolved by the Sacrament of Sacred Penance and by works of penance and reparation, but these lapses must be an occasion for one to enter into a more profound self-examination so that one may avoid future lapses and truly comprehend the sacrifices demanded by chastity. Otherwise, one would fall into the pernicious habit of lapsing, Confessing, praying the imposed penance, and days later repeat the process: this devalues celibacy and gives a perilous occasion to the cultivation of a tepid heart and lax conscience. Chastity involves the continual and ever-progressing mortification of the will and of the senses, an unceasing purification of the self so that it strives to a greater and more ardent charity, both fraternal and divine. The solitude of chastity is not the loneliness or desolation of those who are culpably inadequate for a healthy relationship that has marriage for its end, but rather a supernatural integration of self and the union of the cohesive self with God in total self-abandonment: this in turn naturally leads to fraternal charity as manifested in corporal and spiritual acts of mercy.

    Celibacy is the "default setting" of any Catholic worthy of the name. Sacred matrimony alone endows a man and his wife with the privileges of availing themselves of their nuptial rights, whilst the Priesthood and Holy Religion transfigure and elevate celibacy into consecrated virginity/chastity. The single life, though bereft of the blessings of marriage and the graces of consecrated chastity, can indeed be spiritually fruitful if one endeavors to practice the theological and moral virtues and persevere and progress in such endeavor so that one may be detached from self and things to serve God and those whom He loves in a greater way.

    Fr. Dominic Unger, O. F. M. Cap., wrote about the single life in his book The Mystery of Love for the Single (Chicago: Franciscan Herald Press, 1958; reprined by TAN), and based his teachings on the Encyclical Letter of Pope Pius XII Sacra virginitas (25 March 1954). If one wishes to know about how the single life should be viewed, this is the book to read.


    I'm glad you wrote this because clearly this lifestyle is not the same thing as others have described.