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Änσnymσus · « **on:** June 27, 2012, 06:32:23 PM »

Do some TLM priests (sede, SSPX, FSSP, etc.) skip entire prayers in order to shorten Mass? I've been told that this was a common thing before the NO; some priests would make themselves popular by shaving off 15 minutes or so from Sunday Mass with the assumption that most of the faithful wouldn't notice because they wouldn't know Latin.

s2srea · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2012, 06:59:25 PM »

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Do some TLM priests (sede, SSPX, FSSP, etc.) skip entire prayers in order to shorten Mass? I've been told that this was a common thing before the NO; some priests would make themselves popular by shaving off 15 minutes or so from Sunday Mass with the assumption that most of the faithful wouldn't notice because they wouldn't know Latin.

That is an argument put forth by liberals often used to justify the use of the vernacular. They say that there were abuses before the Novus Ordo because the Faithful wouldn't know Latin, which is a bunch of crap. That's not to say thatt there have never been abuses, but its nothing like we perpetuated in the Novus Ordo. The faithful in tradition would spot an error in the Latin Mass today immediately. We may be more aware of the fact that abuses happen, but that doesn't mean someone in years prior wouldn't notice. Perhaps it only sounds ridiculous to those who attend the TLM

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2012, 07:02:54 PM »

I was an altar boy at that time, and it did not happen in my parish, or
any other parish that I attended during that questioned time period.
I never heard of any complaints of this issue.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2012, 07:17:22 PM »

This is the photo that I want to add that was taken about a week before the
First Sunday of Advent in 1964.
This Priest says his Mass very devoutly on this 22nd day of November
1964.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2012, 08:00:39 PM »

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Do some TLM priests (sede, SSPX, FSSP, etc.) skip entire prayers in order to shorten Mass? I've been told that this was a common thing before the NO; some priests would make themselves popular by shaving off 15 minutes or so from Sunday Mass with the assumption that most of the faithful wouldn't notice because they wouldn't know Latin.

That is an argument put forth by liberals often used to justify the use of the vernacular. They say that there were abuses before the Novus Ordo because the Faithful wouldn't know Latin, which is a bunch of crap. That's not to say thatt there have never been abuses, but its nothing like we perpetuated in the Novus Ordo. The faithful in tradition would spot an error in the Latin Mass today immediately. We may be more aware of the fact that abuses happen, but that doesn't mean someone in years prior wouldn't notice. Perhaps it only sounds ridiculous to those who attend the TLM

It seems to me that even if they didn't know the Latin of the Mass, they would notice the exclusion if they were following along in the Missal...

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2012, 08:25:56 PM »

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Do some TLM priests (sede, SSPX, FSSP, etc.) skip entire prayers in order to shorten Mass? I've been told that this was a common thing before the NO; some priests would make themselves popular by shaving off 15 minutes or so from Sunday Mass with the assumption that most of the faithful wouldn't notice because they wouldn't know Latin.

They didn't *shave off prayers*, as that would cause twinges of conscience, etc.

What they did was *rush through them* at a pace that would make an auctioneer jealous. When reciting the prayers of the Canon, for example, the priest is saying them in a low whisper so no one is going to hear how fast he is going.

And yes, the priest with the shorter Mass was more popular, because MOST CATHOLICS are not heroic, devout, or saintly. Sanctity has always been rare, from the earliest ages of the Church until the present day.

That's why the Church holds the saints up as models -- they're literally HEROES of virtue. Heroes are not commonplace, or they wouldn't be heroes.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2012, 09:48:05 PM »

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Do some TLM priests (sede, SSPX, FSSP, etc.) skip entire prayers in order to shorten Mass? I've been told that this was a common thing before the NO; some priests would make themselves popular by shaving off 15 minutes or so from Sunday Mass with the assumption that most of the faithful wouldn't notice because they wouldn't know Latin.

That is an argument put forth by liberals often used to justify the use of the vernacular. They say that there were abuses before the Novus Ordo because the Faithful wouldn't know Latin, which is a bunch of crap. That's not to say thatt there have never been abuses, but its nothing like we perpetuated in the Novus Ordo. The faithful in tradition would spot an error in the Latin Mass today immediately. We may be more aware of the fact that abuses happen, but that doesn't mean someone in years prior wouldn't notice. Perhaps it only sounds ridiculous to those who attend the TLM

It seems to me that even if they didn't know the Latin of the Mass, they would notice the exclusion if they were following along in the Missal...

I asked about that, apparently most people did not have Missals with translations before the NO.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2012, 10:16:09 PM »

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Do some TLM priests (sede, SSPX, FSSP, etc.) skip entire prayers in order to shorten Mass? I've been told that this was a common thing before the NO; some priests would make themselves popular by shaving off 15 minutes or so from Sunday Mass with the assumption that most of the faithful wouldn't notice because they wouldn't know Latin.

That is an argument put forth by liberals often used to justify the use of the vernacular. They say that there were abuses before the Novus Ordo because the Faithful wouldn't know Latin, which is a bunch of crap. That's not to say thatt there have never been abuses, but its nothing like we perpetuated in the Novus Ordo. The faithful in tradition would spot an error in the Latin Mass today immediately. We may be more aware of the fact that abuses happen, but that doesn't mean someone in years prior wouldn't notice. Perhaps it only sounds ridiculous to those who attend the TLM

It seems to me that even if they didn't know the Latin of the Mass, they would notice the exclusion if they were following along in the Missal...

I asked about that, apparently most people did not have Missals with translations before the NO.

That isn't true. Many of us knew the Latin and most people had Missals in both Latin and English and would follow them, except for the people who heard Mass in the porch of the Church so they could say they had "been", but wanted to make a quick getaway. Yes quick Masses were preferred by many, but I don't believe that priests would dare to skip prayers. There was more Fear of the Lord in those days.

Cheers, Nadir

Lighthouse · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2012, 01:52:06 PM »

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I asked about that, apparently most people did not have Missals with translations before the NO.

Yes, I'll second that for Nadir. I never saw a Missal without the Latin, excepting maybe one with gaudy pictures for the very, very young.

I hear this all the time from slimey former Catholics saying: "...but what good was the Latin because no one understood it".

Just not true. Any good Catholic, even the very young knew exactly where the priest was because they were taught the sections in school.

Goes right in there with "the nuns had rulers which they slapped your hands".
Well, maybe they did somewhere, but I never saw a ruler brought out in 12 years of Catholic schooling. Usually a stern look was enough to quiet everybody.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 01, 2012, 09:19:08 PM »

"The piety of a priest is not to be measured by how long he pauses at the Memento but by the degree of his obedience to the rubrics"- Archbishop Lefebvre

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