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Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
« on: April 19, 2014, 06:28:42 PM »
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  • Tomorrow is Easter Sunday, and I post this as it's looking more and more unlikely I cannot make it to Easter Vigil.

    It is obviously a joy to celebrate in the Risen Christ, but the problem is at so many NO parishes, you see so many people that have come for their twice-a-year Mass attendance, when most likely they've been living as little of the Faith as possible.

    Do they really care about God? Would they be going any other day of the year if the Resurrection of Our Most Blessed Lord were not the focus of the day? How many of them will go home and forget they ever went to Mass?

    This is why I dread going to the Novus Ordo sometimes, especially on important holidays. There's reverent Novus Ordo Catholics, but a good percentage of them are a complete disease to the Church Christ founded if they'll go to Mass but only be there to be there. I bet if I took a poll of the people attending Novus Ordo Catholic parishes, there's a sizable lot of them that don't believe Jesus is God or that He is in the Precious Body & Blood, that He was without sin, that Catholicism is more than just a denomination, it's the One True Church.

    There's so little reverence these days. So many of them should just stop trying to call themselves Catholic if they can't worship the Father and live a Catholic life. The Catholic faith does not end at Mass.

    Iesus et Maria, semper Virginae sit semper vobiscum.
    -JdK.

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2014, 07:16:35 PM »
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  • [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

    [11] The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. [12] I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted.

    - The Gospel according to St. Luke, chapter xviii.

    God bless you.


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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2014, 11:02:35 PM »
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  • NO

    Anonymous

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #3 on: April 19, 2014, 11:41:24 PM »
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  • Is it really important to make that judgement?

    Most of us came from the NO, I don't know about other people but I didn't knowingly deny any doctrine during my time there. Many people are unfortunate victims but if they were taught and lead, they would embrace the Faith as it has always been taught.

    The more interesting question is: Are they culpable? In many cases, no. There are still Catholics in the NO, and also many non-Catholics. We cannot lump them all together.

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2014, 02:18:49 AM »
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  • Talking to novus ordo "Catholics" on a regular basis myself makes it clear to me that they stubbornly hold to their own vain ideas about God and religion, and that they hold to at least one heresy, usually many heresies. Their "Catholicism" is an illusion. They are far from the truth. They also have severe problems recognizing reality to be reality, and are often prideful fantasists devoid of charity. The modern world and its ideologies are the religion of the novus ordo, not Christianity.

    Holding to even one heresy places you outside the church, and therefore to answer your question, no the N.O. are not Catholics. They are instead in some strange pre-Catholic stage before they come to the faith, along with all the other people who are supposedly of good will, who are willing to sacrifice for the greater good, who might belong to any cult or sect whatever but who end up in the Catholic church.

    The N.O "Catholic" who holds to the faith without any heresies is the exception and not the rule, and they will always be elderly because the young who do this will go to Latin mass.

    The conciliar church will mutate into a completely non-Catholic sect, if it has not done already, and the poison in the vatican will spread to all the members. Then the difference between who is Catholic and who is false Catholic will be very clear.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2014, 02:49:16 AM »
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  • I will also say that we will be judged according to what we know. From him that is given much, much is expected.

    It is up to us, who have the fulness of the faith, to become saints. If we do this then the doctrine of the church is preserved in its most faithful members and the church has an example to lead all the ignorant, whether or not the ignorant call themselves "Catholic" or not.

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2014, 06:00:10 AM »
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  • The Novus Ordo community is a mish-mash.  There is a little of everything you can imagine.  

    The majority, I would guess, are outright protestants.  Though, I don't suppose there is any single majority of any one brand of Protestantism.

    Many are pagans, of the New Age type.  

    There is a sizable number who are atheists, have no faith at all, but attend the Novus Ordo for various social reasons.

    And there are probable others I don't have the imagination to characterize.

    And lastly, there is a tiny remnant who have the Catholic Faith or are in the process of finding the Catholic Faith.  These are the people who, during their lives, often find traditional chapels and escape the Novus Ordo.

    Sadly, this multiplicity of faiths can be found amongst both the Novus Ordo "faithful" and the Novus Ordo clergy, though the number of Catholics amongst the clergy is exceedingly small.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2014, 01:51:06 PM »
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  • Circumstances beyond my control prevented me from going to Mass today. Sigh. Maybe I was doing myself a favor by avoiding the Novus Ordo.
    Tío Samuel, ven pa 'aca


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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #8 on: April 20, 2014, 05:07:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    Circumstances beyond my control prevented me from going to Mass today. Sigh. Maybe I was doing myself a favor by avoiding the Novus Ordo.


    Dont worry about it. I can only go to mass once a week, and I hate missing the true mass.
    I asked a priest what I should do in situations when I cant get to mass ( I told him that I might not be able to come to mass for the forseeable future). He said to read my missal, ( I dont have a missal), so he said instead to say an extra rosary.

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
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    Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    Circumstances beyond my control prevented me from going to Mass today. Sigh. Maybe I was doing myself a favor by avoiding the Novus Ordo.


    Dont worry about it. I can only go to mass once a week, and I hate missing the true mass.
    I asked a priest what I should do in situations when I cant get to mass ( I told him that I might not be able to come to mass for the forseeable future). He said to read my missal, ( I dont have a missal), so he said instead to say an extra rosary.


     http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/resources/books-1962/missale-romanum-1962-pdf.html

    Happy reading S.G. !!

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #10 on: April 20, 2014, 10:32:56 PM »
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  • I think it really depends.
    I was N O and had no idea I was basically a total heretic until God saved my son and I begged to know truth. Then, I naturally ended up in the latin mass with fssp, then after more study, sspx. Then after more study, a resistance supporting sspx er. (They haven't given in yet!)
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."


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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #11 on: April 21, 2014, 12:02:42 PM »
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  • Do novus ordo Catholics have the faith?

    A better question would be to ask how many of us here at CathInfo are praying for the converstion of novus ordites.  

    If a novus ordite is following the advice of his church and it's lay leaders and women eucharistic ministers and heeding the visiting presider who thinks that as long as you are a good person, God will love you then that person is in danger.  

    These are tumultuous times!

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #12 on: April 21, 2014, 12:21:33 PM »
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  • On the vigil of Palm Sunday I was in a Novus Ordo foyer and not really paying attention.  When they read the gospel though with the responses I was in tears. In over thirty years that had to be the most beautiful touching passage I ever heard in any type of church service. I heard the gospel accounts many times but I really felt like I understood what had happened and the actions of the different people.  

    I went to the baptism Sat night and when the Gloria was sang with the bells and the lights it was beautiful and so encouraging. I only wish the beautiful music could have lasted longer. I felt grieved that we don't have times to single music like that.

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #13 on: April 21, 2014, 03:12:36 PM »
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  • I grew up in the Novus Ordo. Looking back on my time there, I cannot remember ever encountering the true faith or knowing anyone who seemed to have the true faith. All you have to do to know there is little or no faith in the Novus Ordo is to look at the school uniforms the girls wear. They call themselves Catholic yet they dress like porn stars. There may be some older people in the Novus Ordo who were raised before Vatican II who learned the faith and still believe it and there may be a few children who were taught the faith by their parents. But there are few of them.

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    Do Novus Ordo Catholics really have the Faith?
    « Reply #14 on: April 21, 2014, 04:00:09 PM »
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  • And pray for some traditionalists to humble themselves and shed their pharasaism!

     

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