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« on: August 21, 2013, 08:03:55 AM »
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    Do not ban me for disagreement with others on theological issue. I tried to have a debate after people took my statement that I am not devoted to the infant Jesus of prague as a statement of some sort of blasphemy, but it is not, it is not blasphemy to not have this devotion.
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    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2013, 08:51:33 AM »
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  • This thread is only going to fuel the fire you started.  And you did more than simply state that you don't have a devotion to the Divine Infant.  I don't have a devotion to all the Marian apparitions but I'm not going to go around claiming that Our Lady of Guadalupe is a more worthy devotion than (eg) Our Lady of Sorrows.  You disparaged devotion to the Divine Infant.

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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 08:58:52 AM »
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    Have you taken the time to read through at least part of what Hobbledehoy presented you in that thread? If you haven't- you need to start there! Then- what would be proper- you should come back and make a public renouncement of your error.

    This isn't just a 'disagreement'. You are in a dangerous error; this is what people are trying to tell you. And your error isn't simply along the lines of a theological point, but an entire state of mind.

    When someone discusses issues and addresses the people of this forum as, 'you people', constantly, it is an affirmation that you do not hold unity with us. Trust me, trust me- some of the people who were trying to point out some facts to you, excluding myself, are far more learned that you and I may ever be. Why would you presume to disagree with them, and be so stubborn as to not read what was presented to you. If you do not want to hear from us, at least hear out the great Doctors and Saints of the Church. But it seems you refuse to do this, and that is evidence of bad will my friend.

    So again, my suggestion: stay off this forum until you have taken the time to read what has been presented to you. If you still have points of contention, bring up the specifics of what you've read with us. I HIGHLY doubt anyone would have a problem with you presenting yourself in that manner.

    You will be in my continued prayers. May the Holy and Blessed Infant keep you always in His sights, and may his innocent and perfect mercy and love protect you and bring you closer to him.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 09:06:04 AM »
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  • It is not blasphemy to NOT to have a devotion to the Infant of Prague.  But, from what I read of your comments, you went way beyond simply not having a devotion to a particular title of our Divine Lord.  You expressed distain for the devotion and condemned having one as being, essentially, worshipping a mere human.  The only appropriate word for this is blasphemy.

    Whether or not you are to be banned is entirely up to Matthew.  But you are objectively guilty of blaspheming our Lord.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 09:10:47 AM »
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  • You questioned the use of statues as devotional items and used the word "idolatry".

    You insisted that Our Lord Jesus Christ did not manifest His glory until He was 30 years old.

    These statements are in direct contradiction of both the dogmatic teachings of Holy Church and of Holy Scripture.

    The statements you made were stupidly rash at best, heretical in the main and very possibly blasphemous if your words truly expressed your intended meaning.

    You're lucky to still be able to ASK not to get banned. You could very well have been making this plea from the outside of the membership.

    If you have any issue here at all, it's with the idea of private revelations and whether they are binding upon the faithful.

    Fact: no private revelations are binding.

    Fact: many people (legendary saints)  whose sanctity and conformity to Our Lord far outstrip yours or mine have fostered and promoted devotion to the Infant Jesus.

    What do these facts, taken together, mean?

    Simple. You are not required to have a personal devotion to the Infant Jesus. You may choose to focus on other aspects of His Life. You may even choose not to accept that the apparition of the Infant Jesus of Prague is legitimate.

    You may NOT, however, call into question the orthodox Catholic faith of those who do hold such a devotion. Neither are you allowed to contradict dogma concerning the hypostatic union of Our Lord's Divinity and Humanity from the instant of His Conception. He was and is absolutely fully God and fully man froom the first instant of His appearance in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Thus, Our Lord Jesus Christ has always been due the highest worship of Almighty God throughout every stage of His Life.

    Your lack of charity in calling your fellow Catholics idolaters is appalling. Your suggestions of Jesus Christ only being worthy of worship when He acted in Divine power as an adult are disgustingly heretical and protestant.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 09:21:20 AM »
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  • Oppps, sorry Mithrandylan for the thumb down, my mistake.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 09:32:03 AM »
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  • I hope "T" will not be banned, everyone needs a second chance.

    However "T" should consider that the Infant of Prague is an approved devotion by the Church.  Jesus was born a King, and died a King, this devotion just reminds us of that.  Even the three kings worshipped Him as a child, and angels came in the heavens to announce His birth, the King.

    Just about everyone is drawn to a baby, or child which is why Jesus came to us as a child, He did not have to come this way, but He choose too, therefore we should humble ourselves and look at this baby and realize our dependence on the Creator, Who has the perfect plan to lead us to salvation.

    Whether some have a devotion to the Infant, or the Suffering Christ it is still Our Lord.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 21, 2013, 09:59:32 AM »
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  • Since you ask me to apologize.. I humbly apologize.
    Since you contend with my opinion, I shall speak no further on this matter, and I ask others not to fuel the fires of pride that is the beginning of sin.
    Miserere mei fratres, secundum misericordiam Deus.
    Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux! Ne Draco Sit Mihi Dux!


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    « Reply #8 on: August 21, 2013, 10:10:47 AM »
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  • I was glad to see that the last posting of Tcat posting was locked.   And I would agree again that if Tcat  continues to lock the post again.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 21, 2013, 11:07:27 AM »
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  • I say no to a ban.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 11:29:40 AM »
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  • Do not ban T-Cat. He may have spoken out of ignorance, defended himself poorly, and was harshly misjudged but I don't think he is malicious and I don't see any reason why he should be banned. He should be informed and helped by this community.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 11:53:08 AM »
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  • I do not think T-Cat should be banned either, because it behooves us to give instruction and example before we insist upon punitive measures. The fact that he apologized only illustrates this.

    There are some who are clearly incorrigible and are here to cause harm. These are usually known as trolls. They usually betray themselves to be such very quickly.

    Yesterday there is was a classic case a troll who viciously attacked Mrs. Radecki, Telesphorus and CathInfo. His/her/their/its offensive posts were deleted and the poster was banned.

    T-Cath is not a troll, therefore he ought not to be banned so long as he has apologized.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 11:54:17 AM »
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  • Who said he was getting banned?

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    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 12:15:08 PM »
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    Who said he was getting banned?


    No one said so. The OP wrote under the assumption that T-Cat was to be banned for his remarks yesterday.

    The moderators are not stupid. When it comes to trolls, they act very quickly.

    The moderators are very lavish with their patience, and this has proven to be a good policy. For those of bad will manifest themselves as such ultimately, and those of good will demonstrate their willingness to take correction and amend themselves. There have been many examples of this in CathInfo's history.