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Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
« on: January 28, 2016, 07:35:27 AM »
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  • The children's hospital near me was renamed to "Masonic Children's Hospital" after they donated $30 million, effectively making it owned by the Freemasons.


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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 07:54:13 AM »
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    The children's hospital near me was renamed to "Masonic Children's Hospital" after they donated $30 million, effectively making it owned by the Freemasons.

    Yes...sin in the worst degree! They would be ipso facto excommunicated from the Church.

    Drawn from Pope Clement XII's Constitution "In Eminenti" (against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) from April 28, 1738:

    "In order to close the widely open road to iniquities which might be committed with impunity and also for other reasons, just and reasonable, that have come to our knowledge . . . We have resolved and decreed to condemn and forbid such Societies, assemblies, reunions, conventions, aggregations or meetings called either Freemasonic or known under some other denomination. We condemn and forbid them by this, our present constitution, which is to be considered valid for ever."

    However, not only is the condemnation by Pope Clement XII extended to Masonic Sects, but it applies also to all the laymen who, although they are not members of Societies called Freemasonic, favor them, in any manner, thus: "We command to the faithful to abstain from intercourse with those societies . . . in order to avoid excommunication, which will be the penalty imposed upon all those contravening to this, our order. None, except at the point of death, could be absolved of this sin except by us or the then existing Roman Pontiff."

    Source Link: http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Papacy_and_Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.html
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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 04:06:22 PM »
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  • Disagree w/last poster.  If it were disclosed from whence came all the finances for almost any hospital, Catholics couldn't receive medical care at any, "Catholic" hospitals included.  The previous poster over-interprets the principal of proximity to sin.  If ALL evil connections are forbidden, one would have to be completely self-sufficient, having no dealings of any kind with anyone or any organization remotely connected to evil.  
    Being a patient at a hospital whose name includes the word "Mason" does not mean one supports or is a Mason!  The name change has to do with the inner politics of finance, not with personally espousing the principles of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  
    Does being treated at Interfaith Medical Center make an otherwise devout Catholic irreligious?
    What about donating blood at St. Francis Cardiac Hospital?  Does it make a saint of a wicked man?  If one has surgery at North Shore-Long Island Jєωιѕн Hospital because one's surgeon has privileges there, has that patient become a Jєω?  Shall a Jєω who brings his son to St. Judes Children's Hospital for otherwise unaffordable or unavailable cancer treatment gain any merit with God?  A colleague of mine was taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital; Lutheran Memorial where she had a life-saving appendectomy. Is she now in mortal sin?  Should she have refused treatment and died?  Was the Sacrament of Extreme Unction I received at Mount Sinai Medical Center invalid?  What about the status of the priest who administered it?  Is he an apostate?  (No to all of these propositions!)
    The imputation of mortal sin to an individual soul is not based upon the name of the hospital where he receives treatment.  The connection to evil is at worst, extremely remote, unless he goes there with the specific intent to support Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Judaism, heresy, or irreligion.  
    Truth to be told, most people have little to no control over the hospital(s) available to them.  If one DOES have a comparable alternative to a hospital or any other service with an offensive name, then by all means, choose the better.
    Where is the line drawn?  Must Catholics refrain from buying necessary items because a retailer could possibly be or employ a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?  In most countries, it is unlawful for a non-religious business to refuse employment based upon "orientation."
    Perhaps my friend's dearly departed dairy cow, Bertha, is in heaven.  After all, the veterinarian who tried (unsuccessfully) to save her is a traditional Catholic!  Has my friend gained merit by hiring the Catholic vet?  
    As my Grandmother (RIP) once said, "Eating at Tim Hortons doesn't make you a donut!"
    What is needed when serious questions of this nature arise, is to refer to solid traditional Catholic moral theology.  Few laity are experts, but my personal opinion is that this poster has a bad case of scruples.  If in doubt, consult a traditional priest.



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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 04:20:04 PM »
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  • I recommend Fr. Cahill's highly regarded work " Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and the Anti-Christian Movement"
    http://www.jstor.org/stable/25013056?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 11:07:02 PM »
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    Disagree w/last poster. If it were disclosed from whence came all the finances for almost any hospital, Catholics couldn't receive medical care at any, "Catholic" hospitals included. The previous poster over-interprets the principal of proximity to sin.


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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #5 on: February 02, 2016, 02:42:55 AM »
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  • My neighbour is Mrs Mason. Should I say hello to her over the back fence? :scratchchin:
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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #6 on: February 02, 2016, 12:46:04 PM »
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    The children's hospital near me was renamed to "Masonic Children's Hospital" after they donated $30 million, effectively making it owned by the Freemasons.


    I hope you do not need the services of this hospital for one of your children!  No, not a sin.
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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #7 on: February 02, 2016, 01:00:12 PM »
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    Disagree w/last poster.  If it were disclosed from whence came all the finances for almost any hospital, Catholics couldn't receive medical care at any, "Catholic" hospitals included.  The previous poster over-interprets the principal of proximity to sin.  If ALL evil connections are forbidden, one would have to be completely self-sufficient, having no dealings of any kind with anyone or any organization remotely connected to evil.  
    Being a patient at a hospital whose name includes the word "Mason" does not mean one supports or is a Mason!  The name change has to do with the inner politics of finance, not with personally espousing the principles of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  
    Does being treated at Interfaith Medical Center make an otherwise devout Catholic irreligious?
    What about donating blood at St. Francis Cardiac Hospital?  Does it make a saint of a wicked man?  If one has surgery at North Shore-Long Island Jєωιѕн Hospital because one's surgeon has privileges there, has that patient become a Jєω?  Shall a Jєω who brings his son to St. Judes Children's Hospital for otherwise unaffordable or unavailable cancer treatment gain any merit with God?  A colleague of mine was taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital; Lutheran Memorial where she had a life-saving appendectomy. Is she now in mortal sin?  Should she have refused treatment and died?  Was the Sacrament of Extreme Unction I received at Mount Sinai Medical Center invalid?  What about the status of the priest who administered it?  Is he an apostate?  (No to all of these propositions!)
    The imputation of mortal sin to an individual soul is not based upon the name of the hospital where he receives treatment.  The connection to evil is at worst, extremely remote, unless he goes there with the specific intent to support Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Judaism, heresy, or irreligion.  
    Truth to be told, most people have little to no control over the hospital(s) available to them.  If one DOES have a comparable alternative to a hospital or any other service with an offensive name, then by all means, choose the better.
    Where is the line drawn?  Must Catholics refrain from buying necessary items because a retailer could possibly be or employ a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ?  In most countries, it is unlawful for a non-religious business to refuse employment based upon "orientation."
    Perhaps my friend's dearly departed dairy cow, Bertha, is in heaven.  After all, the veterinarian who tried (unsuccessfully) to save her is a traditional Catholic!  Has my friend gained merit by hiring the Catholic vet?  
    As my Grandmother (RIP) once said, "Eating at Tim Hortons doesn't make you a donut!"
    What is needed when serious questions of this nature arise, is to refer to solid traditional Catholic moral theology.  Few laity are experts, but my personal opinion is that this poster has a bad case of scruples.  If in doubt, consult a traditional priest.


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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #8 on: February 02, 2016, 01:05:53 PM »
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    The children's hospital near me was renamed to "Masonic Children's Hospital" after they donated $30 million, effectively making it owned by the Freemasons.

    Yes...sin in the worst degree! They would be ipso facto excommunicated from the Church.

    Drawn from Pope Clement XII's Constitution "In Eminenti" (against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) from April 28, 1738:

    "In order to close the widely open road to iniquities which might be committed with impunity and also for other reasons, just and reasonable, that have come to our knowledge . . . We have resolved and decreed to condemn and forbid such Societies, assemblies, reunions, conventions, aggregations or meetings called either Freemasonic or known under some other denomination. We condemn and forbid them by this, our present constitution, which is to be considered valid for ever."

    However, not only is the condemnation by Pope Clement XII extended to Masonic Sects, but it applies also to all the laymen who, although they are not members of Societies called Freemasonic, favor them, in any manner, thus: "We command to the faithful to abstain from intercourse with those societies . . . in order to avoid excommunication, which will be the penalty imposed upon all those contravening to this, our order. None, except at the point of death, could be absolved of this sin except by us or the then existing Roman Pontiff."

    Source Link: http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Papacy_and_Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.html


    See, this is simplistic, armchair theology at its worst. They read a Papal encyclical, and presume to interpret it as it seems good to them, and in the process throwing around excommunications and condemnations like they were candy.

    Your common sense is extremely faulty. How could a good God condemn a soul to eternal Hell simply because he had an appendectomy or other surgical procedure at a hospital owned by Freemasons? How is that incompatible with Catholic charity and the state of Sanctifying Grace? How is that a grave offense against God?

    You need to become self-sufficient, because you are currently buying goods from companies and manufacturers that donate money to Obama, Planned Parenthood, hire and promote sodomites, etc. You must be in mortal sin too!

    In this particular case, the poster assumes that merely going to a hospital "favors the Masons in any manner." No, that is not how that phrase should be interpreted. That is an ignorant, scrupulous interpretation. You need to ask a Traditional Priest and not assume you're a theologian just because you hang out on a Trad forum for hours a day.
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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2016, 01:24:23 PM »
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  • I remember someone on Cathinfo told me that St. Alphonsus said that it was a sin for a Catholic to go to a Jєωιѕн doctor, but the poster didn't provide a source.

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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #10 on: February 02, 2016, 01:41:57 PM »
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    Disagree w/last poster. . . Perhaps my friend's dearly departed dairy cow, Bertha, is in heaven. After all, the veterinarian who tried (unsuccessfully) to save her is a traditional Catholic! Has my friend gained merit by hiring the Catholic vet? ...


    Glad to see a sane Catholic answer in this thread.


    Cows don't go to heaven, not even dear Bertha.

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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2016, 03:57:04 PM »
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  • From the blog about the holy priest Fr. Leo McNamara it says:

    "About the 6th time the Crucifix bled, he reported it to his superiors.  They kept vigilance on him.  Many called him crazy.  To justify his sanity, Father kept three medical affidavits by three independent doctors, one a Catholic, one Jєωιѕн doctor, and one Protestant specialist.  The complete physicals done proved his medical stability.  No history of mental illness, yet he was persecuted concerning the crucifix and other miracles."

    If it's good enough for this Holy Levite, it's good enough for me!

    Of course it's not sinful to use the services of a medical doctor who is not Catholic.  My babies were delivered by a Buddhist Ob/Gyn....and she did an awesome job, thank you.

    It goes something like, "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's..." I think.

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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
    « Reply #12 on: February 09, 2016, 09:26:17 AM »
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    The children's hospital near me was renamed to "Masonic Children's Hospital" after they donated $30 million, effectively making it owned by the Freemasons.

    Yes...sin in the worst degree! They would be ipso facto excommunicated from the Church.

    Drawn from Pope Clement XII's Constitution "In Eminenti" (against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) from April 28, 1738:

    "In order to close the widely open road to iniquities which might be committed with impunity and also for other reasons, just and reasonable, that have come to our knowledge . . . We have resolved and decreed to condemn and forbid such Societies, assemblies, reunions, conventions, aggregations or meetings called either Freemasonic or known under some other denomination. We condemn and forbid them by this, our present constitution, which is to be considered valid for ever."

    However, not only is the condemnation by Pope Clement XII extended to Masonic Sects, but it applies also to all the laymen who, although they are not members of Societies called Freemasonic, favor them, in any manner, thus: "We command to the faithful to abstain from intercourse with those societies . . . in order to avoid excommunication, which will be the penalty imposed upon all those contravening to this, our order. None, except at the point of death, could be absolved of this sin except by us or the then existing Roman Pontiff."

    Source Link: http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Papacy_and_Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.html


    How could a good God condemn a soul to eternal Hell simply because he had an appendectomy or other surgical procedure at a hospital owned by Freemasons?


    Not even "owned by", which would still be fine even if by going to that hospital you were lining Shriners' pockets, financing those cute little tassles atop their drinking cup-shaped hats, or funding the next oil change for their parade go-karts.

    The hospital was "renamed" the Masonic Children's Hospital because they wrote a check.

    Rest easy. Though the Church of Ranlare might declare you excommunicated, if you're Catholic that is no cause for concern.

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    Do Catholics sin by going to a Masonic hospital?
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  • are we permitted to listen or play Mozart? he was a freemason.

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    are we permitted to listen or play Mozart? he was a freemason.

    He probably didn't know it was contrary to his Catholic faith. At the time Free Masonry was not legislated against by the Catholic Church in Austria (his homeland). If it was i'm sure he'd leave and side witht he church.