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Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2022, 12:58:32 PM »
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  • As Warren Buffett said, 'whether it's socks or stocks, I like mine 50% off.'

    I do not day trade but I have been swing trading for the last five years (holding longer than 1 day and usually a few weeks).  Like any profession, there is a lot to know and there's a million ways to approach the market - penny stocks, shorting, news-driven, earnings, options, selling options, etc.  To save yourself a lot of time, money, and frustration, this is what I'd say to anyone wanting to do it, whether day trading, swing trading or position trading (investing for months on end):

    1) Study a lot of charts - the good news is that the market is fractal so a 15minute time frame might work the same as a Daily or Monthly chart will.

    2) The two most used indicators seem to be RSI 14 and MACD w/ Histogram so if that's what everyone else is generally using, maybe your entries should be based on that too.

    3) Study the next higher time frame - I swing so I start with considering the Monthly and Weekly charts.

    Free Bonus Tip - Bullish ('buy low and sell high') will usually begin with the price crossing above the 20 simple moving average and the RSI 14 will be above 40.

    P.S. Here is an example of a recent swing trade.  I entered in the $3 range with $4 Call options expiring in September.  I sold those Call options slowly in the $6.50 - $8 range and made 400% - 600% gains.  No, it isn't always like that but if you bail quickly then you'll survive and maybe even thrive.



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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #16 on: September 12, 2022, 01:47:50 PM »
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  • There's only one way to day trade IMHO.  This guy offers a course, for a couple hundred dollars, but he's the best in the biz.  Smarmy, anti-gov and conservative, he shows how patterns built on years of behaviors indicate when to get in and out.  He NEVER advocates leaving your money in, but how to read the charts to safely get in and out, on the hour, or on the day.  He even tells you where he went in and why, and where and when he got out, and you can follow his moves and warnings, to see he's making bank. The morality of investing is another story of course, but if you're going to do it, you should watch these videos.  

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oskjyXV2-0E


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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #17 on: September 12, 2022, 02:02:16 PM »
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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #18 on: September 12, 2022, 05:01:14 PM »
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  • I think day-trading is not a good way to make money, even for experts in the market. You are statistically more likely to make money with index funds than trading stock, and that applies even to experts. Here's why, though I highly recommend this guy's whole series on the stock market.

    The most popular index fund in the world is Vanguard's VTSAX, an index fund of the entire American stock market, which has beat almost every other fund over the long term. It is also the largest mutual fund in existence, in terms of the amount of money invested.

    About 10-15 years ago Warren Buffet made a bet with the head of a high-end hedge fund that the fund manager couldn't beat the market over a 10-year period. It was a million-dollar bet; Buffet bought an S&P 500 index fund, and the hedge fund manager chose five mutual funds he thought would win. The head of a high-end hedge fund is a highly paid, highly competent stock investor getting paid a vast salary to pick winning stocks. It should have been easy for him to beat the market, right?

    Well, he lost miserably. Buffet's index fund returned 125.8% during that decade, while the fund manager's funds only made 36%.

    If you can find me one fund that has beaten the VTSAX over a 10-year period, I'd love to see it. And I'm fairly certain no fund has beaten it over a 20-year period.

    So if even the head of high-end hedge fund (who probably had an MBA or even a PhD from some Ivy League university and was in the Mensa Club) can't even beat the market, then it's probably not a good idea to think you can do it.

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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #19 on: September 12, 2022, 06:39:41 PM »
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  • No, I like making money and not losing it.
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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #20 on: September 12, 2022, 07:14:32 PM »
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  • Well, he lost miserably. Buffet's index fund returned 125.8% during that decade, while the fund manager's funds only made 36%.


    A 36% return is massive.  I don't think you're 'losing miserably' if you 'only' generate returns of 36%.  Try and squeeze 1% out of your bank.

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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #21 on: September 12, 2022, 07:18:53 PM »
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  • A 36% return is massive.  I don't think you're 'losing miserably' if you 'only' generate returns of 36%.  Try and squeeze 1% out of your bank.
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    What an idiotic response. This was a competition. They were each trying to make more money than the other, get it? The S&P fund returned 125.8%; the hedge fund returned 36%. Losing a game 126 to 36 is called getting your ass kicked.

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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #22 on: September 12, 2022, 07:36:30 PM »
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    What an idiotic response. This was a competition. They were each trying to make more money than the other, get it? The S&P fund returned 125.8%; the hedge fund returned 36%. Losing a game 126 to 36 is called getting your ass kicked.
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    I'm sorry to lose my manners like this. Unfortunately I can't remove this because it's in the Anonymous section.

    Anyway, the question is not "Which form of investment is better -- savings account or stock market?" The question is: "Which form of stock investing is better -- hedge funds/active investing or index funds?"

    If this were a game, the index funds would have won with a score of 126 to 36. If you don't consider that a resounding victory for index funds, well, okay, but those were the results.


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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #23 on: September 12, 2022, 07:51:15 PM »
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  • The funny/sad thing is, absolutely none of this has anything to do with the thread topic of day trading.  I posted my entries, exits, and price target on the CRMD chart which generated basically 500% returns on options.  Now this is about a hedge fund losing to Warren Buffett because he only generated a 36% return?  

    The 'logic' here is exactly why I bailed on CathInfo ten years ago.  Looks like I'm already regretting my return and I've literally only posted two or three things.  LOLOLOLOL

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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #24 on: September 13, 2022, 12:57:29 AM »
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  • I guess a few posters here don't really care about the morality (or lack thereof) but are just out to make money.  Sad.

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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #25 on: September 13, 2022, 05:11:50 AM »
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  • I guess a few posters here don't really care about the morality (or lack thereof) but are just out to make money.  Sad.
    The stock market is all about money, money, money, the making of money, and more money, and yet still more money - by the ones who move the market, mainly the big banks. They are the ones who trade in 100s of millions of dollars multiple times each day. They're the main culprits, the riggers.

    Want the DOW to close up? Buy the crap out of a some big caps like Apple, Microsoft etc., while selling the crap out of everything else. When the millions of lemmings hear the news that those are up, millions of "investors" buy the stock - guess who is selling the stock to them?

    When price gets too low, the "investors" see losses that are getting too big to take much longer, so in order to cut their losses the "investors" dump the stock at a loss - guess who buying it from them as the price deteriorates? Wash rinse repeat ad infinitum.

    Knowing this happens as a rule does not guarantee you will profit off of it because it is a matter timing, timing is everything in day trading. The ones with the big bucks establish the right and wrong timing but are so crafty about it so as to fool even expert traders - and even the manipulators are not always right. When they lose, they lose big, but most often can afford it....because they have several billions of dollars in their kitty.

    Even so, a lot of regular people have done well in the markets, and a lot of people can do well, but what is true for most people is the old adage: "If you want to make a small fortune in the markets, start with a big fortune."
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #26 on: September 13, 2022, 09:09:56 AM »
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  • I guess a few posters here don't really care about the morality (or lack thereof) but are just out to make money.  Sad.

    Unless you have a religious vocation, your life is governed by money - car repairs, new clothes for the kiddos, going out to eat once in a while.  That doesn't mean money must govern your life.  It sounds like these comments are all made by people who have zero experience buying and investing in companies?  

    For the one who started this thread, I posted my entry, exit, price target, result and a few key pointers as well.  Everyone can do what they want with that.  Hey, no charge.

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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #27 on: October 04, 2022, 09:29:33 AM »
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  • Here's a potential Swing Trade for anyone interested.  VGFC is a new company which announced a partnership on 10/3/22 with the aim of greater product distribution.  For the last six months they've been increasing their revenue and expanding retail positions into big box stores like Whole Foods, Metro Market, etc.

    I'm waiting for the RSI to cross above 40 and pull back and the price action to start crossing the 20sma (blue line).  Always risky but, after that, it could see a potential move to the .35 cent area - almost 300%.  We'll see what happens.  Bon voyage.


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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #28 on: October 04, 2022, 11:31:23 AM »
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  • This here forecasts that VGFC will drop another 44% in the next 3 months --
    https://stockinvest.us/stock/VGFC

    Not sure if I would invest in that given that they're into plant-based meat substitutes (more soy-boys?).  Of course, they could really take off if they start using bugs (per Klaus Schwab) ... except they're allegedly vegan, so I think ze bugz would be out also.

    Also, I don't believe that day-trading is particularly moral.  You make money for doing nothing, by basically gambling.  You make money; someone else loses money.  None of the money is based on anything productive ... like the long-abandoned traditional notion of a stock (where the stock is actually an investment in the company and represents an actual share of the company).


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    Re: Do any of you day trade for your living?
    « Reply #29 on: October 04, 2022, 11:51:03 AM »
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  • I like charts that show price is lower on the left side of the chart and higher on the right side of the chart. To me, that is one ugly chart.