Author Topic: Divorce (Read 4516 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** November 17, 2014, 08:51:28 AM »

What is up with these divorced people in these traditional Chapels.

Pablo is divorced. Then there are these "single" woman who participate or lead activities at chapels when they are divorced?

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2014, 11:09:38 AM »

Is this not detraction?

What relevance does Pablo being divorced have?

With everything that's transpired publicly, its hardly necessary to campaign an amateur smear against the amateur exorcist.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2014, 11:43:00 AM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan

Is this not detraction?

What relevance does Pablo being divorced have?

With everything that's transpired publicly, its hardly necessary to campaign an amateur smear against the amateur exorcist.

I don't know.

Marriage, like a priest's ordination, is NOT a private matter. That's why the Church requires that there be 2 witnesses. It's a society-level, public matter. That's why marriage is always a matter of public record (you can look it up in the library, government database, etc.)

Divorces are also made public.

Now as to WHY Pablo got divorced, I don't think anyone has any idea unless Pablo told them; it would be completely in the realm of speculation.

Speculation that is not necessary.

Pablo has sufficient issues that we don't need to cross over into the realm of speculation. Let's stick to FACTS, shall we?

Let's also stay focused on the issue -- getting rid of Pablo from the Resistance.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2014, 11:45:38 AM »

There a million reasons why a man or woman could be divorced.

The first reason: wife ran away, or husband ran away. I wish I could say, "He's a man though; usually it's the man that runs away." but I can't bring myself to say that. There are too many women, empowered by feminism, who do that nowadays.

Getting abandoned by one's spouse is now an equal-opportunity calamity.

Sometimes the unfaithful spouse gets the kids and everything.

But for a Catholic, marriage is for life. There is no dissolving a valid marriage until one of the spouses dies.

So what are you left with? A life of involuntary celibacy. What are you going to do with your life? You don't need a very big house anymore; you can't get married again; you might not have "the kids" or get to see them very often, so your kids can't be your life anymore, even if you wanted them to be.

Maybe spend a lot of time helping the Church? Makes sense to me.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2014, 12:56:14 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

There a million reasons why a man or woman could be divorced.

The first reason: wife ran away, or husband ran away. I wish I could say, "He's a man though; usually it's the man that runs away." but I can't bring myself to say that. There are too many women, empowered by feminism, who do that nowadays.

Getting abandoned by one's spouse is now an equal-opportunity calamity.

Sometimes the unfaithful spouse gets the kids and everything.

But for a Catholic, marriage is for life. There is no dissolving a valid marriage until one of the spouses dies.

So what are you left with? A life of involuntary celibacy. What are you going to do with your life? You don't need a very big house anymore; you can't get married again; you might not have "the kids" or get to see them very often, so your kids can't be your life anymore, even if you wanted them to be.

Maybe spend a lot of time helping the Church? Makes sense to me.

Another reason could be for converts / reverts who got divorced before being Catholics.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2014, 01:38:39 AM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan

Is this not detraction?

What relevance does Pablo being divorced have? He isn't the only one. It seems like a trend. What next? The No already has divorced deacons and divorced people handing out communion. Is that next???

With everything that's transpired publicly, its hardly necessary to campaign an amateur smear against the amateur exorcist.

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Yes, the poor man needs prayers. If he is divorced, then he needs to go back home and reconcile with his wife, children and siblings.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2014, 01:53:50 AM »

It does matter. These are people who are divorced without annulment.
Maybe neglecting their families to help the church is why they are divorced. Also, if you are a convert then shouldn't they be more concerned with prayer life then the running of the parish??

But then again whom am I to judge?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2014, 07:35:41 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

.......Let's also stay focused on the issue -- getting rid of Pablo from the Resistance.

Fr Pfeiffer is very loyal to his loyalists. Unless Pablo walks away of his own accord from Boston,KY nothing will happen to him. A man who opposed Fr Pfeiffer in the Almeida Park Affair in Mumbai, India told me that Fr P bases his strategy on the Art of War by Sun Tzu, but this didn't work for him in India.

My advice to you is to forget about them and concentrate on developing your Mass Center which is now getting a regular service. As the saying goes :Leopards don't change their spots

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2014, 01:35:42 PM »

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It does matter. These are people who are divorced without annulment.
Maybe neglecting their families to help the church is why they are divorced. Also, if you are a convert then shouldn't they be more concerned with prayer life then the running of the parish??

But then again whom am I to judge?

If one is divorced because his or her spouse has run off, that is not grounds for an annulment. It is also not grounds to criticize the innocent party. Also, having a good prayer life, and acting as an organizer are not mutually exclusive.

Simply being divorced, in and of itself, is not a sin. Unless you are privy to private facts that would make it a sin, then you should keep quiet. If you are privy to those private facts, you should still keep quiet, because to openly speak about them would be the sin of detraction.

BTNYC · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2014, 02:21:31 PM »

Does this forum really need any more threads about "Pablo?"

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2014, 08:24:10 AM »

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Someone who is divorced shouldn't be teaching children catechism.
Someone who is divorced shouldn't be altar server on the altar or receive communion.
This is what was discussed at Synod.

We used to call divorced Catholics Lutherans.

You are seriously misrepresenting Church teaching, and you should educate yourself on the subject before you further spread your detraction.

As has been stated above, merely being divorced is NOT a sin. If a divorced person get remarried, yes it is the sin of adultery. If a person abandons his family, yes it is immoral. But if a person is innocent of either of these things, and is divorced because he or she has been abandoned, then there is nothing wrong with obtaining a civil divorce, provided of course he or she remains celibate.

If someone is divorced and innocent of any sin, then there is nothing wrong with that person teaching catechism, serving at the altar, or receiving communion. Stop inventing sins.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2014, 08:53:33 AM »

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It does matter. These are people who are divorced without annulment.
Maybe neglecting their families to help the church is why they are divorced. Also, if you are a convert then shouldn't they be more concerned with prayer life then the running of the parish??

But then again whom am I to judge?

It needs to be said that 'whom' functions grammatically as an object; 'who' is the subject. The question should read 'who am I to judge?'

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2014, 10:44:47 PM »

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What is up with these divorced people in these traditional Chapels.

Pablo is divorced. Then there are these "single" woman who participate or lead activities at chapels when they are divorced?

We don't know all the details in divorce situations. Many times there are issues of infidelity, abandonment, physical abuse, and insanity. The Church is alsways ready to promote reconciliation of the spouses but many times that is not possible. The real question should be, "How is this person living their life. Are they living the chastity that their situation requires? or are they living in some sort of illicit affair that would be a cause of scandal? I think that we should give all of the moral support to those who are trying to live a chaste and holy life.

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2014, 10:49:06 PM »

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It does matter. These are people who are divorced without annulment.
Maybe neglecting their families to help the church is why they are divorced. Also, if you are a convert then shouldn't they be more concerned with prayer life then the running of the parish??

But then again whom am I to judge?

According to Canon Law the divorce has to be final before any annulment proceedings can begin. The priest is the one who is in charge of "running" the parish, not the layman.

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2014, 10:56:30 PM »

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Someone who is divorced shouldn't be teaching children catechism.
Someone who is divorced shouldn't be altar server on the altar or receive communion.
This is what was discussed at Synod.

We used to call divorced Catholics Lutherans.

I disagree. If the divorced person is living the chastity that their state requires and they know their faith then there is no reason why they could not teach the children the catechism. There is no reason why they could not serve atht e altar. Frequent wothy reception of Holy Communion is what will probably would be one of the best means to support the life of chastity that is required in the tragedy that is divoce.

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