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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #440 on: May 31, 2020, 12:27:52 PM »

The principle of subsidiarity was first introduced into Catholic teaching by Pope Leo XIII in ....
  
You silly, silly woman.
Subsidiarity was not "introduced". It has always existed as a principle of Catholic action.
This is modernist talk.

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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #441 on: May 31, 2020, 01:36:04 PM »
Unlike the argument itself, this is a question for which the poster's motivations are relevant.

If he is an infiltrator with the intention of damaging the reputation of Catholic teaching and traditional Catholics, then it seems good that I continue to oppose him.  I should demonstrate that his ideas are clearly different from Catholic teaching and the vast majority of traditional Catholics, for that reason, reject what he is saying.

On the other hand, there is also a possibility that he is a loser incel who is so desperate for female attention that he writes things that he knows are outrageously wrong in order to provoke reactions from women online. If this is the case, it would be better to ignore him.

Either of these motives fits what he has been writing, so I am not sure which one to act on.  When I showed some of his posts to my husband, his gut reaction was that it was a forum infiltrator, so I am more inclined to act on that possibility.  It does, however, seem likely that most people are sick of this thread and wish that it would end.  I can certainly appreciate that perspective.  

I just think this is a case of feeding a troll.  If we stop feeding him, he'll get bored and go away.  If an actual, regular, non-anonymous member were involved in this discussion, I might be more inclined to participate.


Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #442 on: May 31, 2020, 01:42:02 PM »
You are really not very intelligent, despite your lengthy posts.
Corrective punishments are those punishments which are not the death penalty. The theft of stealing, which I gave in my example is not something that would ever merit death. And thus comes under the remit of the husband. If the sin is not public. Which would be rate.

It said right in the passages I quoted what "corrective punishment" means.  It is a punishment with the end of repentance and amendment.  This excludes not only the death penalty, but also excludes corporal punishment when less severe means of correction achieve its end or when corporal punishment will not achieve its end.

There is no support for the definition you are claiming.  It looks like something you are making up.

First,you tried to minimize the importance of this teaching saying there was no obligation. Then you were shown that there was, and then try to lie, by basically contradicting yourself, by saying your opponents were saying there was an absolute obligation.  Nobody ever said that.

I have been making clear statements based on distinctions long-accepted accepted in Catholic thought.  You are dishonestly ignoring these distinctions and pretending that I am contradicting myself.  

You are constantly engaging in ad hominems, and when challenged, try to deny it.
Add to this that you are former jew.

Now who is more likely to be an infiltrator?

I have made very few comments that could been considered ad hominems.  You have incorrectly claimed that my stating that your position is false is an ad hominem. Of course, I denied that.  (An example of an actual ad hominem is your comment: "You are really not very intelligent, despite your lengthy posts.")

I have been posting under my forum user name, making my long history as a member here available to anyone who cares to examine it.  This includes the fact that I am a convert from Judaism.  Why would an infiltrator reveal something that would automatically arouse suspicion?  How would an infiltrator have a history of thousands of posts that bear no resemblance to the sorts of things that infiltrators write?   You, hiding behind anonymity, making false and outrageous claims about Catholic teaching, are far more likely to be an infiltrator than I am.

Subsidiarity was not "introduced". It has always existed as a principle of Catholic action.
This is modernist talk.

This is yet another unsupported assertion from you.  Show where the principle of subsidiarity was mentioned in Catholic teaching before the encyclicals I named.

It is clear to anyone honestly reading this thread that I am writing things that are consistent with Catholic teaching and that you are taking a position that is not.

Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #443 on: May 31, 2020, 01:48:23 PM »
I just think this is a case of feeding a troll.  If we stop feeding him, he'll get bored and go away.  If an actual, regular, non-anonymous member were involved in this discussion, I might be more inclined to participate.

You have a lot of experience with this forum so I respect your opinion on this sort of thing.   I have already shown conclusively that his opinions are not based on Catholic teaching so I'll try ignoring him and see what happens.

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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #444 on: May 31, 2020, 01:53:04 PM »
You are constantly engaging in ad hominems, and when challenged, try to deny it.
Add to this that you are former jew.

Now who is more likely to be an infiltrator?
I can't say that I agree with all that you write on this thread, but in the above post you are correct.