Jayne,
This is not Catholic thinking.
All crime is ultimately against God. Then our neighbor and ourselves.
God has given instruments to rectify this. Subsidiarity says that the if something can be do on the lowest level, then it should. So it is with justice. I explained my post how this would happen.
Part of justice is to correct. Punishment is not an end in itself. This is a protestant mindset.
As for St. Thomas, you can't seem to decide whether he said it was necessary or not. First you say no, then you say yes, then when cornered on it, you go back to no.
There are lots of Catholic sources talking about a husband using physical correction. That makes sense because correcting his wife is a duty of a husband and that is a theoretically possible means to do it. There are no Catholic sources about a husband punishing his wife for crimes against the state or to satisfy justice. Nor is there any reason to thing that he has a duty or the authority to do so. Nor is there any reason to think that the principle of subsidiarity applies to this.
I am talking about the concepts of correction, justice and punishment as used in a Thomistic framework. I have backed up every claim I made with quotes from the
Summa. If you don't think that is Catholic thinking, what are you doing on a trad forum?
St. Thomas did not say that physical correction of a wife is necessary. He did not use those words. He said it was an option and so we can imagine situations in which it might be necessary. It is not necessary in an absolute sense. I am consistently saying the same thing. You, however, are refusing to recognize the distinctions that I am using and are pretending that there is some sort of self-contradiction.
In other words, you are guilty of ad hominems, rather than sticking to the argument.
You, aware that you are being read, are trying to discredit the person, and distract from the righteousness of discplining a wife. The thread will lead men to implement it, I hope it does. You are trying to stop this. Lets be honest.
You are making false claims about what the Church teaches and I am identifying them as false and showing that they are by contrasting them with the actual Church teachings. That is sticking to the argument, not using ad hominems.
This thread will not lead anyone who is honestly trying to follow Church teaching to do what you promote because it is very clear that what you say is different from Church teaching. Of course, I would rather have people follow the Church than listen to you. I'm Catholic.
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