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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #410 on: May 28, 2020, 09:08:39 AM »
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How can a wife be so bad and unwilling to accept verbal correction from her husband as to require blows while simultaneously being so good and submissive that she willingly accepts being beaten and does not report him?  Give me a scenario in which such a thing is possible.
Plenty of women don't report rape, beatings and other physical assaults, even when it's 100% the fault of their boyfriend/spouse.  Common knowledge among law enforcement.  Most of these women grew up with daddy issues and on some level like the uber-authority/controlling mannerisms of their male companion, while these women also exhibit the typical tendencies of a life of "sleeping around" - lack of submission, pride, feminism.  They go from one extreme (enjoying being controlled) to the other (don't tell me what to do).  Except for the miracle of graces from God, they are emotional yo-yo's whose childhood destroyed any chance at a normal life.  So, yes, these types of women exist (and the % grows day by day, as the family continues to evaporate from existence in our modern world).
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #411 on: May 28, 2020, 09:47:32 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 28, 2020, 09:08:39 AM
Plenty of women don't report rape, beatings and other physical assaults, even when it's 100% the fault of their boyfriend/spouse.  Common knowledge among law enforcement.  Most of these women grew up with daddy issues and on some level like the uber-authority/controlling mannerisms of their male companion, while these women also exhibit the typical tendencies of a life of "sleeping around" - lack of submission, pride, feminism.  They go from one extreme (enjoying being controlled) to the other (don't tell me what to do).  Except for the miracle of graces from God, they are emotional yo-yo's whose childhood destroyed any chance at a normal life.  So, yes, these types of women exist (and the % grows day by day, as the family continues to evaporate from existence in our modern world).
That makes sense.  I can imagine women becoming so warped by sin that they are emotionally disturbed like this. As you say, it becomes more and more likely as society continues to degenerate.  I cannot see, however, how a husband of such a woman would have a duty to beat her.  Obviously, a man should not marry a woman like this in the first place, but if he did, wouldn't it be his duty to do whatever he could to bring healing to her damaged soul? Beating her seems like it would merely reinforce her unhealthy enjoyment of being over-controlled.  

The main reason that the husband is the head of the family is that men are generally more reasonable than woman and the man should govern his family by reason.  In the situation that you describe, wouldn't the duty of the husband be to use his reason to bring order to the disordered emotions of his wife?  He needs to teach her how to obey and respect him in a balanced way, without this bouncing between extremes.  I just don't see any place for beatings in this scenario.

What advice would you give a man who had the misfortune to end up married to a woman like this?

I just had a thought.  Would you say that this was the problem with the wife in Shakespeare's play Taming of the Shrew ?
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #412 on: May 28, 2020, 10:49:20 AM »
Quote from: Jaynek on May 28, 2020, 08:00:12 AM
It is based on your error in thinking that blows are allowed/obligatory as a punishment (in the strict sense of the word as penal compensation to satisfy justice) in the case of serious sins. There is, however, nothing like this in Church teaching.


There you go again. We have already established and you agreed that St. Thomas says it is necessary in certain circuмstances.
Imagine a scenario in a Catholic society. A wife is guilty of some kind of public sin such as stealing a large amount of money or whatever. Is it the role of the husband to implement corporal punishment in this regard or the state?
Well normally one would say the state, but the Catholic principle of subsidiarity would say bring things to the lowest level, and thus if the husband can do it, then he should. The reason the state might do it, is to make an example of her to deter. So if the sin is truly public and truly hurts the common good, then it is better that the state do it, but only to make an example. However if the sin is rather private and public humiliation is not necessary than the husband should do it.
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #413 on: May 28, 2020, 10:50:15 AM »
*to deter others
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Disciplining wife
« Reply #414 on: May 28, 2020, 11:07:50 AM »
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I cannot see, however, how a husband of such a woman would have a duty to beat her.
"Beating" denotes physical abuse, violence, and assumes men are acting wrongly.  Corporal punishment is correction using physical means.  There can be a wide gap between physical correction and "beatings".  You're just assuming the worst case.
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