Author Topic: Difficulty in Obeying Husband (Read 19058 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #30 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:24:51 PM »

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This is yet more evidence that we need a women's subforum with access granted solely by Mrs. Moderator, MaterDominici.

Only those who are female and have registered as such should be allowed to contribute to conversations of such a sensitive nature unless one of the contributors is a priest.

I agree. It would be better having a female - only board with no access to men, so we can discuss these type of issues.

Why? Because they will give you permission to disobey your husband?

No. Because there are issues that are better understood and discussed among women - only. Stop feeling threatened. Now you are being defensive!

Beside that, men have no business advising a another man's wife on most matters regarding marital issues other than, "Here's a good book" or "Talk to a priest" but even then it is still a fine line. This goes triple for unmarried men, especially in regards to correcting women. I don't think they really give much thought to the fact that they are talking to another man's wife.

There is also a line that should not be crossed when women are advising other women, mostly in advising anything that would hurt the marriage and turn husband and wife against one another.

There shouldn't be any problem with a woman wanting advice from women. If I had a simple marital problem, the first person I would ask for advice would be a happily married, pious woman.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #31 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:32:47 PM »

It is the Catholic Church that reinstated the proper dignity of womanhood through our Blessed Virgin Mary.

Frankly, there are a lot of posters in this forum that resemble more Protestant puritans or even moslems in their views of women. Don't cross the line!

PereJoseph · « **Reply #32 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:37:45 PM »

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It is the Catholic Church that has restored the proper dignity of womanhood through our Blessed Virgin Mary.

Frankly, there are a lot of posters in this forum that resemble more Protestant puritans in their views of women.

You will have to be more specific about what you mean. What do Puritans teach about women and how is it similar to what is being said by "many of the Catholics on this forum" ? What does the Church specifically teach about women that isn't being upheld by Catholics on this forum ? Are women allowed to disobey their husbands in matters that are not sinful because they have a low opinion of their husband's judgment ? Or he's not Catholic, so many of the things that he says can be dismissed ?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #33 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:38:05 PM »

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Beside that, men have no business advising a another man's wife on most matters regarding marital issues other than, "Here's a good book" or "Talk to a priest" but even then it is still a fine line.

Who do you think you're kidding? I will tell a woman what I think is right, and on a public internet forum you'd better be sure we're not going to let certain belligerent women carry on their manipulative trad chapel harpie routine.

If someone asks someone what the church teaches, and a man says what the truth is, but the feminist says the opposite and says men have no right to say anything, then I'm guessing the feminist cares less about church teaching than about undermining it.

Which is why they aren't allowed to pontificate, exclude men from public discussions, etc.

If you want to speak privately about things no one is stopping you.

You want to have a special platform on this board where you can't be contradicted.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #34 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:41:15 PM »

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Their equally Catholic husbands. It would not be difficult, in fact, quite wonderful to obey a true Catholic gentleman.

A wive's obedience isn't contingent on her husband fitting some model of being a "true Catholic gentleman."

That being said, there are many issues, and not just issues of sin, where obedience is not required.

Any woman who is having trouble with unreasonable demands should discuss the matter with a priest who respects male authority in the home. If it is really a trial of conscience for you I'm sorry.

This advice seems to be solid. It seems best to consult a good priest on this subject, rather than other women, since this thread has demonstrated that not all the women who would give advice are thinking in a very Catholic way.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #35 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:43:17 PM »

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This advice seems to be solid. It seems best to consult a good priest on this subject, rather than other women, since this thread has demonstrated that not all the women who would give advice are thinking in a very Catholic way.

It seems obvious to me that some of these women believe in colluding with each other as to what "obedience" means, and policing the group. This could well be the reason we see so much trad feminism. So if a man ends up in trouble at his chapel and in his marriage because of these hens, it's probably because women are told they must trust the hens, no one else (except the priest) has a right to answer simple questions, and the hens will often manipulate the priest.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #36 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:51:14 PM »

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This is yet more evidence that we need a women's subforum with access granted solely by Mrs. Moderator, MaterDominici.

Only those who are female and have registered as such should be allowed to contribute to conversations of such a sensitive nature unless one of the contributors is a priest.

This thread is a PERFECT example why it is a bad idea to discuss these things among men and women.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #37 on:** July 29, 2013, 04:58:45 PM »

Notice the attack on "single males" etc - not their business?

Then why put it up for public discussion? If single males can't make judgments about such things, why do you trust priests to do so?

Seems to me the attitude of those who attack men discussing such things, is very similar to the attitude of those who would dismiss priests as being "unmarried men" found among non-traditional people.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #38 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:00:18 PM »

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Frankly, there are a lot of posters in this forum that resemble more Protestant puritans or even moslems in their views of women.

And frankly, my dear, there are a lot of feminists on this forum posing as traditionalists who resemble Gloria Steinem or Barbra Streisand in their views of a woman's role.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #39 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:08:42 PM »

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This is a question for married women only:

Have any of you had serious difficulty in obeying your husband due to doubts about his ability to love and care for you and how did you overcome it?

Another scenario is not letting him lead because of past indiscretions or poor judgments on his part?

I'm hoping to hear from ladies who have successfully worked past this issue and find joy in being obedient even when it seems less than ideal.

God bless.

This is a question for married women only:

This is a question for married women only:

This is a question for married women only:

This is a question for married women only:

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #40 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:10:54 PM »

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And frankly, my dear, there are a lot of feminists on this forum posing as traditionalists who resemble Gloria Steinem or Barbra Streisand in their views of a woman's role.

I wouldn't say they resemble Gloria Steinem or Barbra Streisand. They do resemble bossy church ladies who have some feminism in their systems.

The claim that a public discussion regarding how and when women should obey their husbands should be closed to trad men is pretty revealing.

It leads to the "tradition" that we see in practice. Women, in a group, are to decide what teachings on marriage actually mean, and men had better not contradict them or they'll be compared to Muslims, extreme protestant sects, etc.

This attitude, in society at large, (because of men in influential positions fostering it, to undermine men lower in social status) results in a situation where marriage in practice ceases to be a two-way contract and becomes an arrangement that exists for women, with obligations only falling on men, not truly falling on women, who will find a group of women and a liberal priest to dispense them from their marital obligations.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #41 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:25:41 PM »

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And frankly, my dear, there are a lot of feminists on this forum posing as traditionalists who resemble Gloria Steinem or Barbra Streisand in their views of a woman's role.

I wouldn't say they resemble Gloria Steinem or Barbra Streisand. They do resemble bossy church ladies who have some feminism in their systems.

The claim that a public discussion regarding how and when women should obey their husbands should be closed to trad men is pretty revealing.

It leads to the "tradition" that we see in practice. Women, in a group, are to decide what teachings on marriage actually mean, and men had better not contradict them or they'll be compared to Muslims, extreme protestant sects, etc.

This attitude, in society at large, (because of men in influential positions fostering it, to undermine men lower in social status) results in a situation where marriage in practice ceases to be a two-way contract and becomes an arrangement that exists for women, with obligations only falling on men, not truly falling on women, who will find a group of women and a liberal priest to dispense them from their marital obligations.

I say they resemble Steinem and Streisand because there seems to be a lot of "I am woman; hear me roar" BS. Not only that, any woman who attempts to manipulate her husband or bend him to her will is a feminist. Period. I've seen plenty of women at trad chapels who clearly wear the pants in their families. Maybe that the husband's fault in that he refuses to exercise his role or maybe the husband is browbeaten into submission.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #42 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:32:16 PM »

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Beside that, men have no business advising a another man's wife on most matters regarding marital issues other than, "Here's a good book" or "Talk to a priest" but even then it is still a fine line.

Who do you think you're kidding? I will tell a woman what I think is right, and on a public internet forum you'd better be sure we're not going to let certain belligerent women carry on their manipulative trad chapel harpie routine.

If someone asks someone what the church teaches, and a man says what the truth is, but the feminist says the opposite and says men have no right to say anything, then I'm guessing the feminist cares less about church teaching than about undermining it.

Which is why they aren't allowed to pontificate, exclude men from public discussions, etc.

If you want to speak privately about things no one is stopping you.

You want to have a special platform on this board where you can't be contradicted.

If you think it is okay to call another man's wife a harpie, I hope you have the courage to do it to his face.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #43 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:35:00 PM »

FWIW I think it's a matter of courtesy to acceed to the reasonable wishes of the person who opens a thread or broaches a conversation or question, i.e. to abide within the confines that person sets if they are reasonable ones.

For what little it's worth too, I was once told that the father and husband's authority is for the sake of his office. the office of father or husband -- which is for the sake of the family, for God's sake, not for his own person's sake?

It may be that a lot of men don't understand this and see it as a means of self-indulgence instead.

But I don't understand the matter fully myself so I hesitate to say much about it.

I've heard it's about virtue. The more gracefully virtuous you are the better everything will work, because virtue is beautiful and desirable and trustworthy. But you do it for God and then God through the family and its members. So even if the members don't value it properly, God does, and besides, all good is His truly.

You respect the office and God and the husband in that he bears this and is after all, the husband.

A lot of stuff belongs in private or in more personal forum. Perhaps this is some of that. I don't know. It's anonymous at least.

Hope this helps a little. Forgive me if not or for any mistakes.

Turn to Mary, and her mercy, Ave Maria.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #44 on:** July 29, 2013, 05:39:21 PM »

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This advice seems to be solid. It seems best to consult a good priest on this subject, rather than other women, since this thread has demonstrated that not all the women who would give advice are thinking in a very Catholic way.

It seems obvious to me that some of these women believe in colluding with each other as to what "obedience" means, and policing the group. This could well be the reason we see so much trad feminism. So if a man ends up in trouble at his chapel and in his marriage because of these hens, it's probably because women are told they must trust the hens, no one else (except the priest) has a right to answer simple questions, and the hens will often manipulate the priest.

Our Lord never referred to women as hens, even with their fears, worries, and womanly concerns. Women consult with one another because friendships between married people of opposite genders are an occasion of sin, men are not to be the confidants and companions of married women.

You can make your point without calling names and vilifying ladies.

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