Notice the attack on "single males" etc - not their business?

Then why put it up for public discussion?  If single males can't make judgments  about such things, why do you trust priests to do so?

Seems to me the attitude of those who attack men discussing such things, is very similar to the attitude of those who would dismiss priests as being "unmarried men" found among non-traditional people.

Priests are not single, they are in the clerical state. The word refers to state in life.

If you think it is okay to call another man's wife a harpie, I hope you have the courage to do it to his face.

I wonder if the women who inspired that word being used in the first place would like their husbands to hear them telling a public forum of how they find ways to manipulate and "trick into submission" their husbands rather than obey them in spirit...

I am truly sympathetic to any woman in a truly difficult situation, where her submission to her husband is tested by his unreasonable actions.

That being said, don't expect trad women to tell you to do the right thing.  

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Our Lord never referred to women as hens, even with their fears, worries, and womanly concerns. Women consult with one another because friendships between married people of opposite genders are an occasion of sin, men are not to be the confidants and companions of married women.

You can make your point without calling names and vilifying ladies.

Gossipy feminist hens in trad circles say they support Catholic marriage however they constantly conspire to undermine it in practice.  That is just a reality, it doesn't necessarily apply to anyone here, although those who say men have no business discussing these matters obviously want to have the say so.

Additionally, it seems okay for the hens to ask what Our Lord said or didn't say, but they conveniently omit what Our Lady's behaviour would be in her role as a model for wives.

I'm not the one verbally abusing other men's wives. You can't see or demonstrate the behavior of women towards their husbands here, but you are giving the rest of us words by which to judge your poor character. Those who are harsh and accusatory are often lacking in prayer life or have bigger sins to hide.

No one has given the OP any public advice regarding her specific issue, other than the normal, good non-descript advice. The OP was basically stating, " I have a problem, I need advice from other married women who have over come the same problem-- I want to be good and do my duties well, please help me" there was only a basic, general description given of them problem, in a modest manner. At no point did any of the ladies or men advise the OP in such a manner that would be scandalous or warrant making a confession.

If many of the women were to take the time to write out a detailed response, I'm sure there would be good advice that would be completely agreeable to even the men on here who belittle and hate women. The point is that you are on a paranoid witch hunt, well, that and you have no manners. You turned a thread where someone humbly asked for advice into something about you, your agenda, and your need for a good tirade.

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This advice seems to be solid.  It seems best to consult a good priest on this subject, rather than other women, since this thread has demonstrated that not all the women who would give advice are thinking in a very Catholic way.

It seems obvious to me that some of these women believe in colluding with each other as to what "obedience" means, and policing the group.  This could well be the reason we see so much trad feminism.  So if a man ends up in trouble at his chapel and in his marriage because of these hens, it's probably because women are told they must trust the hens, no one else (except the priest) has a right to answer simple questions, and the hens will often manipulate the priest.

Our Lord never referred to women as hens, even with their fears, worries, and womanly concerns. Women consult with one another because friendships between married people of opposite genders are an occasion of sin, men are not to be the confidants and companions of married women.

You can make your point without calling names and vilifying ladies.

I agree, such speech is disgusting, and would never come from a Catholic gentleman.  There must be non-Catholics posting on here.  I hope Matthew gets rid of them.

I am a Catholic man who still believes in chivalry.

I am a Catholic man who still believes in chivalry.

19th Century chivalry is about enabling women behaving badly and intruding on the private lives of men who are beset by their bad behavior.

It's not genuine chivalry.

In the old days, a lot of these "chivalrous" men would end up being dealt with violently because of their meddling.

We live in an age of feminism.

Chivalry is for ladies, not for women who conspire to subvert Catholic marriage.

I never said 19th century chivalry, I mean medieval chivalry.