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Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Matthew on March 26, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
I went through the Introduce Yourself thread today, deleting a lot of empty posts and chatter -- "Welcome, X" and so forth.

I noticed LOTS of users that signed up, maybe posted an introduction, and I haven't seen them on here since.

What did you encounter on CathInfo that utterly drove you away?

I realize that CathInfo -- and any other person or forum -- can't be simultaneously appealing to every single person (Jesus Himself didn't achieve that!), but I'm still curious.

For example, I wonder how many people left over members who are no longer here -- or trends/threads that are long since dead (SGG or Ode To Reality).
Or even individuals with powerful personalities that used to get into some serious arguments, but have since left (or seldom post anymore).

I think a lot of people should come back and give CathInfo a second chance. The forum changes every year as different people come and go.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Matthew on March 26, 2013, 05:58:38 PM
For example, you might want to come back from time to time to see if "That Member" is still posting.

Or to make sure "That Thread" (which disgusted you) still exists!

Because sometimes a forum mod will get fed up with a given thread, or a given movement, and will have second thoughts if not outright repentance for his role in a given controversy!

*cough* SGG *cough*

Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Matthew
I went through the Introduce Yourself thread today, deleting a lot of empty posts and chatter -- "Welcome, X" and so forth.

I noticed LOTS of users that signed up, maybe posted an introduction, and I haven't seen them on here since.

What did you encounter on CathInfo that utterly drove you away?

I realize that CathInfo -- and any other person or forum -- can't be simultaneously appealing to every single person (Jesus Himself didn't achieve that!), but I'm still curious.

For example, I wonder how many people left over people who are no longer here -- or trends/threads that are long since dead (SGG or Ode To Reality).
Or even individuals with powerful personalities that used to get into some serious arguments, but have since left (or seldom post anymore).

I think a lot of people should come back and give CathInfo a second chance. The forum changes every year as different people come and go.



The problem is, people post here and are kicked off for reasons no one can figure out, so it's easier to be a guest. And why keep the SGG/Ode stuff on here? That's enough to drive anyone away.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Sigismund on March 26, 2013, 08:51:17 PM
Kicked off without a reason?  When?  It seems to me that Matthew is pretty conscientious about explaining why people are banned.  

And for goodness' sake, he has never banned me.  That clearly means he can put up with a lot.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 09:04:30 PM
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Quote from: Matthew
I went through the Introduce Yourself thread today, deleting a lot of empty posts and chatter -- "Welcome, X" and so forth.

I noticed LOTS of users that signed up, maybe posted an introduction, and I haven't seen them on here since.

What did you encounter on CathInfo that utterly drove you away?

I realize that CathInfo -- and any other person or forum -- can't be simultaneously appealing to every single person (Jesus Himself didn't achieve that!), but I'm still curious.

For example, I wonder how many people left over people who are no longer here -- or trends/threads that are long since dead (SGG or Ode To Reality).
Or even individuals with powerful personalities that used to get into some serious arguments, but have since left (or seldom post anymore).

I think a lot of people should come back and give CathInfo a second chance. The forum changes every year as different people come and go.



The problem is, people post here and are kicked off for reasons no one can figure out, so it's easier to be a guest. And why keep the SGG/Ode stuff on here? That's enough to drive anyone away.


Quote from: Matthew
Or to make sure That Thread (which disgusted you) still exists!

Because sometimes a forum mod will get fed up with a given thread, or a given movement, and will have second thoughts if not outright repentance for his role in a given controversy!

*cough* SGG *cough*
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Sigismund
Kicked off without a reason?  When?  It seems to me that Matthew is pretty conscientious about explaining why people are banned.  

And for goodness' sake, he has never banned me.  That clearly means he can put up with a lot.


I know several instances where people have been kicked off before ever being given a reason why. That's a perfect way to drive people away for good.

And how many times have we seen people get kicked from here simply because they're winning an argument that happens to be contrary to the other members' views? If you hold a true position, there should be nothing to fear.

Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 10:02:39 PM
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Kicked off without a reason?  When?  It seems to me that Matthew is pretty conscientious about explaining why people are banned.  

And for goodness' sake, he has never banned me.  That clearly means he can put up with a lot.


I know several instances where people have been kicked off before ever being given a reason why. That's a perfect way to drive people away for good.

And how many times have we seen people get kicked from here simply because they're winning an argument that happens to be contrary to the other members' views? If you hold a true position, there should be nothing to fear.



I'd like just one example, please.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Or to make sure That Thread (which disgusted you) still exists!

Because sometimes a forum mod will get fed up with a given thread, or a given movement, and will have second thoughts if not outright repentance for his role in a given controversy!

*cough* SGG *cough*



Are we supposed to take this comment as repentance, or as a joke?
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 10:26:43 PM
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Quote from: Sigismund
Kicked off without a reason?  When?  It seems to me that Matthew is pretty conscientious about explaining why people are banned.  

And for goodness' sake, he has never banned me.  That clearly means he can put up with a lot.


I know several instances where people have been kicked off before ever being given a reason why. That's a perfect way to drive people away for good.

And how many times have we seen people get kicked from here simply because they're winning an argument that happens to be contrary to the other members' views? If you hold a true position, there should be nothing to fear.



Could it be that perhaps you've been banned before?
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 10:50:30 PM
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Quote from: Matthew
Or to make sure That Thread (which disgusted you) still exists!

Because sometimes a forum mod will get fed up with a given thread, or a given movement, and will have second thoughts if not outright repentance for his role in a given controversy!

*cough* SGG *cough*



Are we supposed to take this comment as repentance, or as a joke?


I suppose there's one way to find out...
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
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Kicked off without a reason?  When?  It seems to me that Matthew is pretty conscientious about explaining why people are banned.  

And for goodness' sake, he has never banned me.  That clearly means he can put up with a lot.


I know several instances where people have been kicked off before ever being given a reason why. That's a perfect way to drive people away for good.

And how many times have we seen people get kicked from here simply because they're winning an argument that happens to be contrary to the other members' views? If you hold a true position, there should be nothing to fear.




Sounds like a certain "dogmatic sedevacantist" got an account, again...
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 10:56:40 AM
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Sounds like a certain "dogmatic sedevacantist" got an account, again...



If a "dogmatic sedevacantist" (whatever that is) is in error, why fear him? Show him where he is wrong! Kicking someone off the site without showing them their errors makes it clear to the bystanders where the error lies. Great way to lose members.

Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Matthew on March 27, 2013, 11:06:26 AM
I do point out the error of "dogmatic Sedevacantism" -- it's called Schism, and I ban such a one.

One cannot be a member here, and yet consider virtually all the members to be non-Catholics.

Look up "Schism" in the dictionary.

It means to cut off -- to hack-and-slash at the Mystical Body, cutting off members that you disagree with about some issue, or members you don't get along with. It's calling "non-Catholic" what is objectively "Catholic".

Adding new dogmas to the body of the Catholic Faith -- in this case, "The man Bergoglio is not the Pope" -- in such a way as to make those who DENY THIS "DOGMA" into heretics and outside communion with the Catholic Church -- is a grave error.

All the Sedevacantists on CathInfo can see this.

Furthermore, despite each of our firm convictions in the matter -- our decision about which group is the best, where to go to Mass, etc. -- when it comes right down to it, we could turn out to be wrong. Because none of us can rely on Catholic Dogma, advice from the Saints, or personal advice from Our Lord or Our Lady to give us absolute certainty.

We're going on Prudence, here. But Prudence is only as good as the data you have about the situation. Prudential decisions can end up being "wrong", due to our faulty human grasp of any situation. Of course, if we do our best we won't be culpable, as we DID make the best decision based on our current knowledge (the very definition of Prudence).

The Conciliar Crisis simply has never happened before. We've had things close to it, which give us HINTS (the Great Schism, Arianism, etc.) but never quite this bad. So we have to EXTRAPOLATE what this or that saint would do, based on a SIMILAR situation in the past. We all have good reasons and justifications for what we each do. But that doesn't change the fact that none of us has spoken with Our Lord personally about this, nor have we found any documents that describe this Crisis perfectly, and then go on to describe what we must do!

Oh, and I should also point out that none of the current "positions" has won over all Traditionalists in a landslide, or single-handedly healed the great fissure in the Church. So perhaps they're all flawed in some way? That doesn't mean we should stop being Traditionalist, but it does mean that the only way to cure the Crisis is for God to send us a Pope who will build up rather than tear down the Church. A Pope who is truly Traditional.

Arguing over "which lifeboat is best" is kind of silly. None of them have flush toilets. The only solution is to repair/rebuild the Barque of Peter which is critically damaged and half under water.


I don't mind a bit of friendly family rivalry and strife on this board -- 2 vs. 2 and 1 vs 1. But when it's 1 vs. the entire board -- I'd say that "1" simply doesn't belong here. It's simple.

Because even if I don't mind being considered hell-bound, I'm quite positive that many others here would get sick of that REAL fast -- like after 5 seconds.

It's not worth driving even ONE good member away, in favor of such a theologically-messed-up member.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 05:19:21 PM
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I don't mind a bit of friendly family rivalry and strife on this board -- 2 vs. 2 and 1 vs 1. But when it's 1 vs. the entire board -- I'd say that "1" simply doesn't belong here. It's simple.


So just because someone is in the minority, they deserve to be ejected from the site? Think about this logic....aren't we traditional Catholics the minority in the world in comparison to those in the Novus ordo? Does that mean we should not be heard? I have never seen this recommended anywhere by the Church. If that one person in the minority supports what they say with past teaching of the Church, what then?
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Matthew on March 27, 2013, 08:07:56 PM
Except this is CathInfo, not the Novus Ordo or the modern world steeped in error.

We are true, Traditional Catholics adhering to the Catholic Faith. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a larger group of serious, dedicated Catholics anywhere online.

We're not wrong. We're not heretics. That is not open for debate. If you disagree, you need to leave.

It's that simple.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Matthew on March 27, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.

Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 08:30:15 PM
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Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.



They had a reputation of "zero" for good reasons.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 09:15:21 PM
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Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.



No, he's saying that when those holding the 'popularity contest' are sound-minded traditional Catholics, that the 'popular kids' are usually correct.

Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 09:46:00 PM
Quote from: Sigismund
Kicked off without a reason?  When?  It seems to me that Matthew is pretty conscientious about explaining why people are banned.  

And for goodness' sake, he has never banned me.  That clearly means he can put up with a lot.


Oh yes, putting up with a well-behaved gentleman requires the patience of a saint.

 :rolleyes:
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 10:01:47 PM
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Sounds like a certain "dogmatic sedevacantist" got an account, again...



If a "dogmatic sedevacantist" (whatever that is) is in error, why fear him? Show him where he is wrong! Kicking someone off the site without showing them their errors makes it clear to the bystanders where the error lies. Great way to lose members.



We have shown the "dogmatic sede" how and why he is in error many times, but some people cling to anything that will cater to their emotions rather than consider logical arguments.

But the dogmatic sede always comes back to CathInfo... He just has to have the final word, even if it takes banning four different accounts.

It's kinda funny, but then it's not...
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 10:18:09 PM
Maybe some of those who joined and then quit are those who were only here to monitor things for Men. in the first place, such as those seminarians we heard were given the job in their spare time. Now that the heat has died down a bit, they have found other things to do. There was a huge increase in traffic during last spring and summer.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 10:43:59 PM
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Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.



No, he's saying that when those holding the 'popularity contest' are sound-minded traditional Catholics, that the 'popular kids' are usually correct.



So to translate what you just said, you are saying, "You had better be pro-SSPX on this website are you won't be popular. And if you're not popular, well, you just won't last."

Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 11:33:41 PM
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Quote from: Guest
Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.



No, he's saying that when those holding the 'popularity contest' are sound-minded traditional Catholics, that the 'popular kids' are usually correct.



So to translate what you just said, you are saying, "You had better be pro-SSPX on this website are you won't be popular. And if you're not popular, well, you just won't last."



This site does not support the (modern day) SSPX, it supports Bishop Williamson and the Resistance, who remain faithful to the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre.

Also, there are many sedes here in good standing, the difference is they can respect those who hold the "R and R" position, and don't spew nonsenses about them being schismatics.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2013, 11:37:14 PM
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Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.



No, he's saying that when those holding the 'popularity contest' are sound-minded traditional Catholics, that the 'popular kids' are usually correct.



So to translate what you just said, you are saying, "You had better be pro-SSPX on this website are you won't be popular. And if you're not popular, well, you just won't last."



You have obviously made up your mind on the issue, why do you continue to post?  The answers you have been given are clear and reasonable enough, only by twisting them can you continue to reply to them.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2013, 11:12:58 AM
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Quote from: Matthew
This reminds me of the discussion about the Likes/Dislikes feature when it first came out. Everyone was like "Oh no, now it's a popularity contest" and all that.

But think about it -- when the "peers" are a bunch of serious, Trad Catholics -- you had better be "popular" or you have issues!

As experience has since proven, the Rep system is seldom wrong. I hardly ever see a valuable member with a score of 0, or a total misfit with a score in the thousands.

Almost everyone I've banned had a score around 0. There's the proof that the system works.

The system is near-infallible when you have mostly sane, devout, rational members -- like on CathInfo.


So Matthew, are you saying that being "popular" is a sign that someone holds the truth? Remember, the Novus ordo is far, far more popular than traditional Catholicism, in the eyes of the general public.



No, he's saying that when those holding the 'popularity contest' are sound-minded traditional Catholics, that the 'popular kids' are usually correct.



So to translate what you just said, you are saying, "You had better be pro-SSPX on this website are you won't be popular. And if you're not popular, well, you just won't last."



This site does not support the (modern day) SSPX, it supports Bishop Williamson and the Resistance, who remain faithful to the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre.

Also, there are many sedes here in good standing, the difference is they can respect those who hold the "R and R" position, and don't spew nonsenses about them being schismatics.


How can anyone "respect" the "R and R" position when the Church teaching on schism directly forbids it? Or is there some other pre-V2 teaching of the Church that you can quote that supports R and R? If so I would love to see it.
Title: Did you sign up for CathInfo but then quit? If so, why?
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2013, 11:47:33 AM
What bugs me when someone is banned for any reason is some of the member begin to CHEER  about it:   :rahrah:

With no regards for the feeling of the person who is banned, as if they are not even human.   The was I see it, okay, they got banned now, Matthew for his own reason banned them, we don't have to give Matthew any kudos.  

The banned person could still read the notes here, all they need is another venue.