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« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2019, 11:56:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 11:49:26 AM
    Did the "conductor" clown lead the laity from the altar rail again this Sunday January 6th, the Feast of the Epiphany ?



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    Re: Dialogue Mass/leading the choir in singing
    « Reply #61 on: January 06, 2019, 11:57:07 AM »
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    • The above was me, my apologies.

    But yes, he did it again.
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    « Reply #62 on: January 06, 2019, 12:56:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 05, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
    Do sedevacantists accept dialogue masses?
    Yes, many do, as all sedevacantists recognize and remain obedient to Popes Pius XI and Pius Xii who authorized and encouraged the dialogue mass.  
    Some sedevacantists who reject Pope Pius XII’s Holy Week law also reject Catholic teaching on the dialogue mass.
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    « Reply #63 on: January 06, 2019, 01:17:37 PM »
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    • Some sedevacantist parishes have a Pontifical Missa Cantata on Sundays, an innovation by Pope Paul VI and his 1964 docuмent, Inter Oecuмinici and a pope they don't recognize.

    If they will do that, they'll accept a dialogue Mass.
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    « Reply #64 on: January 06, 2019, 01:40:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on January 06, 2019, 11:57:07 AM
    The above was me, my apologies.

    But yes, he did it again.
    Well, it must be that the prior likes it. I believe this is a punishment upon the laity for their indifference to the customs of their country. Totally Novus Ordo and effeminate. 
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    « Reply #65 on: January 06, 2019, 03:11:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 01:40:05 PM
    Well, it must be that the prior likes it. I believe this is a punishment upon the laity for their indifference to the customs of their country. Totally Novus Ordo and effeminate.
    Not just our country: There was no such thing as a dialogue mass anywhere in the world just 110 years ago!
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    « Reply #66 on: January 06, 2019, 06:46:42 PM »
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    • So aside from the SSPX parish in Florida, is it regular to sing and participate in other countries around the world?  With all this about the dialogue Mass, is this something that independent break offs from the SSPX condemn?
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    « Reply #67 on: January 06, 2019, 07:07:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 06, 2019, 06:46:42 PM
    So aside from the SSPX parish in Florida, is it regular to sing and participate in other countries around the world?  With all this about the dialogue Mass, is this something that independent break offs from the SSPX condemn?
    I can assure you that there is not one SSPX, Indult, independent or sedevacantes chapel in the USA does what that prior and "conductor" clown are doing, they are totally winging it, inventing their own mass. This is the standard operating procedure of the Novus Ordo, each priest invents his own twist. It is totally effeminate for a man to want that kind of attention (the conductor).
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    « Reply #68 on: January 07, 2019, 12:43:07 AM »
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    • One of the priests from the old days, a diocesan priest who went independent, was one of the first to resist the Novus Ordo and he regularly used the dialogue mass at his chapel. 

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    « Reply #69 on: January 07, 2019, 05:09:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 12:43:07 AM
    One of the priests from the old days, a diocesan priest who went independent, was one of the first to resist the Novus Ordo and he regularly used the dialogue mass at his chapel.
    Unfortunately, though he escaped the Novus Ordo, by retaining the dialogue Mass he retained all the false liturgical principles which lead right back to the Novus Ordo: Experimentation and variety, extending the liturgical action beyond the sanctuary, false active participation = vocal participation, blurring of the distinction between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the faithful, etc.
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    « Reply #70 on: January 07, 2019, 06:03:27 AM »
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    • So *forgetting the priest*, who is really more in the wrong here - the guy up front doing the distracting, or the people for allowing it?

    That is my question.

    1) The guy should have refused to do it, that would have been the right thing for him to do.

    2) The people should have refused to let it happen, stopping it as soon as they saw what was going on, that is the right thing to do. No need to be violent or overly dramatic about it, just go tell the guy we don't do that because it is very distracting. My guess is he'd be relieved and go back to his pew happy. 

    One of these two have to claim the higher fault, especially to let it continue as business as usual.
     
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    « Reply #71 on: January 07, 2019, 06:36:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 07, 2019, 06:03:27 AM
    So *forgetting the priest*, who is really more in the wrong here - the guy up front doing the distracting, or the people for allowing it?

    That is my question.

    1) The guy should have refused to do it, that would have been the right thing for him to do.

    2) The people should have refused to let it happen, stopping it as soon as they saw what was going on, that is the right thing to do. No need to be violent or overly dramatic about it, just go tell the guy we don't do that because it is very distracting. My guess is he'd be relieved and go back to his pew happy.  

    One of these two have to claim the higher fault, especially to let it continue as business as usual.
     
    I’m thinking this is Fr Vernoy’s Priory (a Frenchman), which would explain where this balony came from.
    He was the one who 1.5 years ago gave a sermon uploaded onto YouTube (then quickly deleted) saying it was a mortal sin to reject a deal with Francis.
    So the faithful there have been formed to revere authority more than truth and doctrine, which makes them ripe for the picking, in which case they are certainly culpable, and deserving of this punishment.
    May the trad world behold this sorry spectacle as an example of what awaits those SSPXers who allow themselves to be bamboozled into modernist Rome!
    Little by little they will lose everything, just like a repeat of Vatican II.
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    Re: Dialogue Mass/leading the choir in singing
    « Reply #72 on: January 07, 2019, 08:19:20 AM »
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    Little by little they will lose everything, just like a repeat of Vatican II.
    And this is what is at risk of the people just going along. They know better yet they just go along, so they should not be surprised when they lose everything, and like a replay of the 60s and 70s, they have no one to blame but themselves.

    I think that the people letting it happen are fools for sure, but the the guy doing the distracting, he is the bigger fool.

     
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    « Reply #73 on: January 07, 2019, 10:06:33 AM »
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    • The conductor should get a cape with rhinestones and sequins sewn into it, leather gloves, and a magic wand.  Incorporating some more gesticulating head movement (and maybe an occasional 360 spin to swoosh his cape) would liven things up a bit.  And if he could drop a couple of them ninja smoke bombs at particularly dramatic music, that would be sweet.
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    « Reply #74 on: January 07, 2019, 12:42:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on January 07, 2019, 05:09:33 AM
    Unfortunately, though he escaped the Novus Ordo, by retaining the dialogue Mass he retained all the false liturgical principles which lead right back to the Novus Ordo: Experimentation and variety, extending the liturgical action beyond the sanctuary, false active participation = vocal participation, blurring of the distinction between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the faithful, etc.
    No, he obeyed the trueand certain Popes, Pius XI and Pius XII.  Roma locuta est, cause finita est.
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