Author Topic: Decision for deal or no deal (Read 2247 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** June 19, 2012, 10:37:47 AM »

Interesting comment from Fr. Cekada on Rorate:

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Father Anthony Cekada said...

One detail of Fr. Rostand's interview I found particularly interesting: He insisted very emphatically that the power to decide whether to accept or to reject the accord belonged to the SUPERIOR GENERAL ALONE, and that the Superior General would make the decision for the whole organization.
This has been a point of controversy on internet forums, where "anti-accordists" (accordionists?) argued that only the GENERAL CHAPTER of SSPX, due to convene in early July, would have this power. Some have cited provisions of the '83 Code (631.1, which also has parallels in the pre-Vatican II legislation) on the authority of General Chapters.

The idea is that whatever affects everyone in a religious institute (as an accord would) should be approved by everyone (or at least, virtually everyone).

Normally, this would be true in a religious institute, which SSPX claims to be.

But the statutes of SSPX (at least the version I recall) and the management style of its superiors (Abp. Lefebvre, Fr. Schmidberger, Bp. Fellay) are "top down" in terms of authority (the Superior General rules all) and about as far from democratic as you can get.

So on this point, Fr. Rostand seems to be entirely correct. The decision on the accord is ultimately only Bp. Fellay's to make.

This would also be consistent with Mgr. Lefebvre's method of proceeding. He certainly didn't consult any of us lower-downs regarding his negotiations with Rome, and we would have never expected him to ask a General Chapter to vote on an accord.

Mgr. L., moreover, committed SSPX to the 1988 accord without reference to obtaining any approval from the General Chapter or anyone else.

So Bp. Fellay would have the precedent of Mgr. L on his side.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:00:00 PM »

Archbishop Lefebvre founded the order. Those who joined the order joined it to follow his mission. He wasn't elected.

The idea that an elected leader would take control over all the properties and expel three of the other bishops is outrageous. Of course, diabolical lawyers, freemasons and Zionists don't care about what is decent or just.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:04:06 PM »

I give all love, honor and obedience to God; not man.
!Vivo Cristo Rey y Vivo la Virgen de Guadalupe!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:16:23 PM »

Also, www.savesspx.com says it best.

There is problem is with US Conference of Catholic bishops and Rome. They all need to take an Oath against Modernism, socialism, communism etc.
Let Bishop Fellay and others leave the SSPX and form new group under Rome.

Most of these bishops and cardinals should be demoted and maybe excommunicated. These same bishops and cardinals have more power then rome and they would destroy sspx and sell off real estate. The majorityof them hate all things Catholic and traditional. There are even protestants members of the US Conference of Catholic bishops. They removed and ostracized many vatican II "traditiional conservative priests and replaced with protestant married ministers who share liberal views.

Hello, most vatican II real estate that was sold off has been of historical value (pre vatican II) anything after vatican II has remained in dioceses and some parishes are not even catholic anymore. Many parishes have opened the door to all faiths and are called catholic ecuмenical communities. I know I see it.

The east coast is where the first catholics ever to settle in america.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:16:56 PM »

oops that is www.savesspx.com

says it best

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:47:52 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

I give all love, honor and obedience to God; not man.
!Vivo Cristo Rey y Vivo la Virgen de Guadalupe!

The world at the present time is sagaciously discussing how to quell the controversy and strife over doctrine and faith, and how to effect a compromise between the Church and the Papacy. Let the learned, the wise . . . arbitrate. Each side can easily yield something, and it is better to concede some things which can be construed according to individual interpretation, than that so much persecution ... and terrible, endless dissension and destruction be permitted. Here is lack of understanding, for understanding proves by the Word that such patchwork is not according to God's will, but that doctrine, faith and worship must be preserved pure and unadulterated; there must be no mingling with human nonsense, human opinions or wisdom. The Scriptures give us this rule: "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:48:17 PM »

It is God vs the devil. We are at war.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2012, 05:06:19 PM »

Many of our greatest saints were simple people with very little if any formal education. Jesus used simple parables to preach to the common people.

Many know their faith but do they live it.

Assist at Mass and Open your HEARTS to God.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2012, 05:31:52 PM »

It is because of the "wise" and "learned", including protestant ministers that vatican II was created. The "wise and learned" protected pedophile priests while at same time persectued and excommunicated traditional Catholics. Most of these "wise and learned are self serving, looking for high rank and position, etc.
Because of the "wise" and "learned", Rome is in a state of apostacy.

There is no compromise. Either you are Catholic and believe in God and keep His commandments or your are not Catholic.
Many know the faith but don't live it..
To condone sin is like being an accomplice to sin.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2012, 05:43:27 PM »

The highly educated novus ordo bishops thought they were protecting the church by covering up sins of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by clergy.
Then they came up with brilliant idea to close down mostly traditional churches and schools. If they had God in their hearts and knew the Catholic faith, they would have never have condoned the rape of innocent children from the start. Instead, they chose to do the devil's work and cover up and lied.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2012, 06:01:05 PM »

I have seen many letters from Bishop Fellay. Does he ever try to correct any of the sins and error of Rome? Many of us are even wondering if Pope Benedict XVI is aware of all the problems. Rome needs to take immediate action to correct these scandals, apostacy and heresy among its own and make it a priority. Inorder for the SSPX to infiltrate novus ordo, especially in America, the SSPX would have to be on its own under Rome and not under US Conference of catholic bishops. Its a no brainer.

It shouldn't take years to do God's work. Especially, with all these highly educated wise and learned. It is called "Catholic Action" (ask Father Vaillancourt)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2012, 07:24:57 PM »

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Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
I give all love, honor and obedience to God; not man.
!Vivo Cristo Rey y Vivo la Virgen de Guadalupe!

The world at the present time is sagaciously discussing how to quell the controversy and strife over doctrine and faith, and how to effect a compromise between the Church and the Papacy. Let the learned, the wise . . . arbitrate. Each side can easily yield something, and it is better to concede some things which can be construed according to individual interpretation, than that so much persecution ... and terrible, endless dissension and destruction be permitted. Here is lack of understanding, for understanding proves by the Word that such patchwork is not according to God's will, but that doctrine, faith and worship must be preserved pure and unadulterated; there must be no mingling with human nonsense, human opinions or wisdom. The Scriptures give us this rule: "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).

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