OH YES IT DOES

Translation of the Latin Original(Above)




"In one word, we grant to you all the pontifical powers of the Pope himself, which are not incommunicable by divine right."(translation from the French)





Canon 199

§ 1. Whoever has ordinary power of jurisdiction can delegate it to another in whole or in part, unless it is expressly provided otherwise by law.

 § 2. Even the power of jurisdiction delegated by the Apostolic See can be subdelegated either for an act or even habitually, unless [the one with the power] was chosen because of personal characteristics or subdelegation is prohibited.

 § 3. Power delegated for a universe of causes by one below the Roman Pontiff who has ordinary power can be subdelegated for individual cases.

 § 4. In other cases, delegated power of jurisidiction can only be subdelegated by a concession expressly made, although delegated judges can delegate the non-jurisdictional elements [of their work] without express commission.

 § 5. No subdelegated power can be subdelegated again, unless this was expressly granted.


That’s right. Our sede priests and bishops have ordinary jurisdiction!

"That’s right. Our sede priests and bishops have ordinary jurisdiction!"

In all my years of tradition, this is the first time I've ever heard this.  Is this legit?  Why wasn't SSPX ever acknowledging this?

Because sspx are not followers of the good archbishop . All evidence shows he died a sede. Apparently he didn’t say una cuм. 

look at the sources I gave 

Translation of the Latin Original(Above)

"By virtue of the Plenitude of the powers of the Holy Apostolic See, we appoint as our Legate Pierre Martin Ngo Dinh Thuc, titular bishop of Saigon, whom we invest with all the necessary powers, for purposes known to us."

Given at Rome at Saint Peter's, on 15 March 1938, the seventeenth year of our pontificate. Pope Pius XI,

Explanation of these powers

What does this docuмent mean ? Let us examine a parallel case in which Pius XI conceded identical powers to another prelate. On 10 March 1920, the same pope Pius XI dictated the same motu proprio for Mgr d'Herbigny (S.J.). The account is recorded in the book of Father Paul Lesourd, published by Lethielleux Editions under the title "Le Jesuite clandestine"

Here is the translation

Motu Proprio By virtue of the plenitude of the Apostolic power, we appoint as our Delegate Michel d'Herbigngy (S.J.), titular bishop of Troie, whom we invest with all the appropriate and necessary powers, for purposes known to us.

Given at Rome at Saint Peter's, on 10 March 1926, the fifth year of our pontificate. Pius XI, Pope

The two cases are analogous. With this Act of the Holy See, the two bishops received pontifical powers, similar to those of Patriarchs. The details of these powers are explained by Pius XI himself, as reported by Father Lesourd in the following terms:

"Orally, the Holy Father first enumerated in detail all the powers which he conferred, including the selection of priests to be ordained and to confer on them the episcopate without the need for them to have pontifical bulls, nor therefore to give their signatures inviting them to act accordingly on the strength of the oath."

"Then, after having at length set out in detail by word of mouth all the powers which were really extraordinary, the Pope resumed them most solemnly as follows"

"In one word, we grant to you all the pontifical powers of the Pope himself, which are not incommunicable by divine right."(translation from the French)





Canon 199

§ 1. Whoever has ordinary power of jurisdiction can delegate it to another in whole or in part, unless it is expressly provided otherwise by law.

 § 2. Even the power of jurisdiction delegated by the Apostolic See can be subdelegated either for an act or even habitually, unless [the one with the power] was chosen because of personal characteristics or subdelegation is prohibited.

 § 3. Power delegated for a universe of causes by one below the Roman Pontiff who has ordinary power can be subdelegated for individual cases.

 § 4. In other cases, delegated power of jurisidiction can only be subdelegated by a concession expressly made, although delegated judges can delegate the non-jurisdictional elements [of their work] without express commission.

 § 5. No subdelegated power can be subdelegated again, unless this was expressly granted.


That’s right. Our sede priests and bishops have ordinary jurisdiction!

I don't mean to be rude or attack you personally, so please forgive me jf it comes across that way dye to the format of communication.  That being said, this is a very silly argument.  First of all, ordinary jurisdiction belongs to a bishop of a diocese (a very specific territory) or an abbot of a monastery (over his monks only.)  Which diocese did Thuc Reign over after he was removed from Vietnam?  Over which diocese do the sede vagrant bishops rule?  None of the bishops respected as such on this site or mainstream sedevacantism so much as claim jurisdiction of any kind besides supplied.  Neither did any of their Consecration bishops intend to give them jurisdiction, and many explicitly stated that they intend NOT to do so.

If your theory requires you to allege that men claiming no jurisdiction and assigned no jurisdiction in fact have ordinary jurisdiction, simply in order to maintain the intrinsic quality of the Church that is active jurisdiction, I humbly submit that you have lost the plot and need to reevaluate the entire question.  

Furthermore, roman catholic canon law is explicit that only a pope can assign a diocese to a bishop.  While I know many like to simply dodge such facts by claiming epikeia, I would again insist that if your pet theory requires you to ignore the explicitly taught ecclesiology of the Church in order to maintain some semblance of authority and visibility, your theory is in fact obviously wrong and you are lying to yourself.  Mental gymnastics are very tiring.

Papal legate is an office which the holder has ordinary jurisdiction over . Our bishops are apostolic delegates 

I've been SSPX (20 years) and Resistance (2012) and I've read a lot about the errors of Vatican II and the last few popes.  In a nutshell, sedevacantism is looking more and more legitimate because it addresses the issue of Indefectibility.  But how does it work with jurisdiction?  I think this is the last piece of the puzzle that doesn't make any sense or maybe I haven't come across that yet.  Does it solve or how does it solve the problem of jurisdiction?  Or is there anything else I should look into as well?  Feels like a big leap so just trying to understand it right.

The jurisdiction problem is solved with the concept of limited supplied jurisdiction. In Canon Law there are many exceptional cases mentioned in which the circuмstances allow a priest to dispense Sacraments without having normal jurisdiction.

These Canon Law exceptions are on a case-by-case basis. For example, see 1917 Canon 2261.2, where it states that a Catholic can licitly receive the Sacraments from a priest who has been excommunicated. 

Canon 2261 (1983 CIC 1331, 1335) Cross-Refs.: 1917 CIC 2264, 2275, 2284

§ 1. One excommunicated is prohibited from confecting and administering licitly the Sacraments
and Sacramentals, except for the exceptions that follow.

§ 2. The faithful, with due regard for the prescription of § 3, can for any just cause seek the
Sacraments and Sacramentals from one excommunicated, especially if other ministers are lacking,
and then the one who is excommunicate and approached can administer these and is under no
obligation of inquiring the reasons from the one requesting.

§ 3. But from a banned excommunicate and from others excommunicated after a condemnatory
or declaratory sentence has come, only the faithful in danger of death can ask for sacramental
absolution according to the norm of Canons 882 and 2252 and even, if other ministers are lacking,
other Sacraments and Sacramentals.

Papal legate is an office which the holder has ordinary jurisdiction over . Our bishops are apostolic delegates

This is false. Firstly, papal Legate have delegated jurisdiction, not ordinary.  This is basic canon law stuff.   Delegated jurisdiction must be DELEGATED legally and explicitly by a holder of ordinary jurisdiction.  So yes, if Thuc was Delegated as a papal Legate (explicit evidence is lacking so this is a non starter) he would have had thay as long as the pope remained alive and didn't  revoke the privilege.

However, one with delegated jurisdiction can neither delegate it to another, nor can he give another ordinary jurisdiction. If you think otherwise, please consult canon law and provide the canons.  Finally, not a single sede or trap bishop claims to be an apostolic delegate. This is your personal and unique idea... so I'm supposed to believe that all the men who you claim constitute the teaching Church are wrong about this and you, an anonymous online forum member, possess the key to true ecclesiology? Forgive me for saying so, but this is a clear sign you need to rethink these things.