Author Topic: Confession to a Novus Ordo priest without a maniple (Read 1701 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** November 13, 2014, 11:29:53 AM »

*please no sedevacantists opinions here, respectively*

Would confession to a Novus Ordo priest be valid if he is not using the maniple?

Generally I try to avoid confessions to Novus Ordo priests, but with endless lines in confession and dozens of women who literally take up to an hour or an hour and a half in the confessional!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been forced to confess to the local diocesan priest when a Traditional priest is busy answering endless questions or whatever else in the confessional. I know what the Society says and the various opinions about Novus Ordo priests and have decided that it is not within reason to try to investigate the validity of the diocesan priest and I rely on the Ecclesia suplet formula; I have little choice in the matter. So please give me your opinions about this and regarding the maniple, wouldn't the only thing necessary for validity on the priest's part be the words I absolve you? Is the maniple necessary?

2Vermont · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2014, 11:44:16 AM »

I am sede (and really don't understand why our opinions mean squat on this), but did you ever speak with the priest about your concern re: long confessions? I have never heard of Trad priests allowing that much time for a confession. I would think that he would at least be open to hear your concern.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2014, 12:00:13 PM »

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I am sede (and really don't understand why our opinions mean squat on this), but did you ever speak with the priest about your concern re: long confessions? I have never heard of Trad priests allowing that much time for a confession. I would think that he would at least be open to hear your concern.

Sorry, I meant no discrimination, just that I assumed that any sede would say NO they are all laymen etc. and don't think that would be helpful in this case.

Sometimes, when the chapel forms part of someone's house, that means that they believe they have the right to oblige everyone to wear long sleeves or suits and ties and whatever else. Ironically, it is the women who tell the men what they can and cannot do. As of recent I was told all spending of money is prohibited on Sunday, restaurants etc. Overall I am very upset with the coordination of the chapel, lack of wanting to expand but preferring to keep the chapel in a tiny room in the family's basement and oblige the faithful to give tithes to support this. Deliberately refusing to provide the tiny chapel with proper ventilation and and trying to making it obligatory to use a suit and tie and lockin on Sunday 40 hours conclusion Masses. And that's not even mentioning the long, tiresome lines of confusion which even have frequently caused Mass to be postponed several hours and the always mandatory separation of women in the left pews and men in the right pews....................overall, I have considered relocating due to my unhappiness with the coordination of this chapel. I do not feel that voicing any complaint is desirable. I already travel 2 hours to travel to this Mass where the kneelers are harder than than floors. Maybe, I'm just a stupid sinner and this chapel is what produces saints, but I think that it is extremely excessive.

I went off topic and my purpose here was to seek advice about the confession I was just practically forced to make to a Novus Ordo priest without a maniple

:cry:

2Vermont · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2014, 12:46:24 PM »

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I am sede (and really don't understand why our opinions mean squat on this), but did you ever speak with the priest about your concern re: long confessions? I have never heard of Trad priests allowing that much time for a confession. I would think that he would at least be open to hear your concern.

Sorry, I meant no discrimination, just that I assumed that any sede would say NO they are all laymen etc. and don't think that would be helpful in this case.

Sometimes, when the chapel forms part of someone's house, that means that they believe they have the right to oblige everyone to wear long sleeves or suits and ties and whatever else. Ironically, it is the women who tell the men what they can and cannot do. As of recent I was told all spending of money is prohibited on Sunday, restaurants etc. Overall I am very upset with the coordination of the chapel, lack of wanting to expand but preferring to keep the chapel in a tiny room in the family's basement and oblige the faithful to give tithes to support this. Deliberately refusing to provide the tiny chapel with proper ventilation and and trying to making it obligatory to use a suit and tie and lockin on Sunday 40 hours conclusion Masses. And that's not even mentioning the long, tiresome lines of confusion which even have frequently caused Mass to be postponed several hours and the always mandatory separation of women in the left pews and men in the right pews....................overall, I have considered relocating due to my unhappiness with the coordination of this chapel. I do not feel that voicing any complaint is desirable. I already travel 2 hours to travel to this Mass where the kneelers are harder than than floors. Maybe, I'm just a stupid sinner and this chapel is what produces saints, but I think that it is extremely excessive.

I went off topic and my purpose here was to seek advice about the confession I was just practically forced to make to a Novus Ordo priest without a maniple :cry:

No problem. I understand. Your situation definitely seems....excessive to say the least.

I do not know the answer to your specific question for sure, but I highly doubt that the maniple makes or breaks the validity of the absolution.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2014, 12:57:45 PM »

The power to absolve sins belong to Christ who works through His VALID priests-- not their maniple.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2014, 01:19:56 PM »

OP find an old N.O. priest and make an appointment for a General Confession.

Your situation is dangerous. After a good, valid Confession I feel certain you will begin to understand how irregular a borderline cult that chapel is. I wouldn't bother trying to explain your chapel business to the priest. Deep down I think you know something is very wrong. Certainly valid Confession with a sincere contrition and desire to avoid sin will do wonders to clear up the mental confusion these family owned&operated "churches" cause.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2014, 02:15:15 PM »

I've never seen a priest wear a maniple for confession. That is worn strictly at Mass.
In the confessional the priest wears a purple stole.

I can't answer your question by the rubrics BUT .... every priest I know carries a purple stole (in his sick call set) in his car for emergencies (accidents) so I draw the conclusion it must be important for confession.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2014, 07:32:28 PM »

Purple stole not maniple used in confession.
Form and matter are in the request for absolution, and the words of absolution.
In fact validity does not come into play with penance, absolution holds in spite of it.
Now what penance will be required to be meted out on judgement day if one does not do the prescribed penance is between them and God.

As for your chapel situation, any concerns ought to be discussed with the priest.
Try not to let it get to you.
The people who have sponsored the Mass in their basement have done so out of love for God.
There is no reason why any of you could not coordinate a more suitable arrangements for such a glorious event.
Find a local hall sometimes even funeral parlors, usually empty on Sundays, wouldn't mind at all.

poche · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2014, 11:18:27 PM »

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*please no sedevacantists opinions here, respectively*

Would confession to a Novus Ordo priest be valid if he is not using the maniple?

Generally I try to avoid confessions to Novus Ordo priests, but with endless lines in confession and dozens of women who literally take up to an hour or an hour and a half in the confessional!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been forced to confess to the local diocesan priest when a Traditional priest is busy answering endless questions or whatever else in the confessional. I know what the Society says and the various opinions about Novus Ordo priests and have decided that it is not within reason to try to investigate the validity of the diocesan priest and I rely on the Ecclesia suplet formula; I have little choice in the matter. So please give me your opinions about this and regarding the maniple, wouldn't the only thing necessary for validity on the priest's part be the words I absolve you? Is the maniple necessary?

The proper attire for the priest is a stole not a maniple. Even if the priest does not have a stole your confession is would still be valid if the priest has the faculties to hear confessions. I will pray for you that you will be able to find a good confessor and also that you may be able to get good spiritual direction.

Dolores · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2014, 06:29:17 AM »

As other have said, a maniple has never been a proper vestment for Confession, so the absence of it would certainly not effect the validity of the Sacrament. Additionally, the presence or absence of a vestment never effects the validity of any Sacrament. It's not as if they are some magical pieces of clothing. The power to confer the Sacraments comes from the priest's Holy Orders, not from what he is wearing.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2014, 08:50:04 AM »

For a valid Sacrament, you need proper matter, form, intention, and validly ordained minister.

If I were in your situation, and couldn't get to a Traditional Latin Rite priest for Confession, I think I would seek an Eastern Rite (Catholic, not schismatic) priest before I'd go to a Novus Ordo. I just have too much doubt as to the latter's validity. Unless, as one poster suggested, you can find one who is very old, ordained before everything changed.

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