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Re: Confession and scrupulosity
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2021, 08:28:00 PM »
That's what causes scruples, trusting yourself. We have to take a leap of Faith and actually trust God. And we also must learn that it is His work in us that really matters. You must let go and trust.
Thanks for your response. I haven't talked to anyone about this yet so this means a lot. It would seem as though if I don't make a valid confession that's on me, not God, right? It all boils down to this: If I don't have a reliable mind I can't ever make a valid confession. That's not to say I am despairing. Maybe I'm not getting what you are saying.

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Re: Confession and scrupulosity
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2021, 10:35:02 PM »
Thanks for your response. I haven't talked to anyone about this yet so this means a lot. It would seem as though if I don't make a valid confession that's on me, not God, right? It all boils down to this: If I don't have a reliable mind I can't ever make a valid confession. That's not to say I am despairing. Maybe I'm not getting what you are saying.
I'm not clear on what you mean by a reliable mind. Are you concerned that you're forgetting sins? Or are you having trouble identifying what may have been a sin? 


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Re: Confession and scrupulosity
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2021, 10:58:44 PM »
I'm not clear on what you mean by a reliable mind. Are you concerned that you're forgetting sins? Or are you having trouble identifying what may have been a sin?
The former. At some times I think I'll remember a sin, forget to write it down and remember it later. This is only one formulation or species of this, but the point is... I am concerned that I am intentionally pushing sins out of my mind. Whether that confession is invalidated or not by this is not necessarily the problem at hand even. I try to write down all sins on paper and keep this for later but I'm not always in a position in which I can just whip out the notepad. I also think I potentially conceal sins from myself. Even doing a nightly examination of conscious I doubt I am doing this well enough. Ever since I converted and was made aware of the concept of mortal sin etc about a year and a half ago I am just in constant torture and I have to avoid confirmation and the Eucharist until I am clear. I know my priest will probably tell me something like the original poster so I intentionally avoid conversations with the priest or anyone else just so people figure I'm the quiet type that just takes my family to Mass and goes home.
Thanks so much again for responding. You have no clue how much you are helping me. Thank God for getting me on this forum so I could have this conversation.

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Re: Confession and scrupulosity
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2021, 12:38:29 AM »
We are indeed called to be perfect, but we cannot make ourselves perfect by our own efforts. We are creatures, human beings, that all deal with the effects of original sin. God expects us to do what we can. He does not expect the impossible.

Torture is a good word to describe scruples; all the nagging doubts: what if I forgot this sin...what if I'm  hiding this sin... what if I'm not contrite...what if I didn't relate some detail when I confessed and misled the Priest...what if I should have known this was a sin...what if I made a bad confession and have to confess that now...
It's like being trapped in a hall of mirrors; you see yourself (ie. your sins, faults, imperfections) everywhere you look. The problem is that they are all distorted images. That is why confessors often have to set a date and order scrupulous penitents to not confess anything from before that time. (ie. "I'm going to give you the absolution, you have a clean slate, in the future don't confess anything from before right now.") If they don't the penitent will be stuck in that state and will, eventually, despair.

At first glance scruples seem horrible, and they are, but like all evils that God permits can be used for great good. Scrupulosity, used rightly, can engender humility (it's a great reminder of how weak we are), confidence in God (that's the only way through), and love of God (when we realize that he permitted it for our good).

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Re: Confession and scrupulosity
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2021, 05:55:46 AM »
I'm going to talk to you like I talk to one of my children.  It seems to me that you never had a good formation for Confession as a child, and now you're dealing with this as an adult.  

There are 5 things needed to make a good confession.

1.  Know your sins
2.  Be sorry for your sins.
3.  Make up your mind not to sin again
4.  Tell your sins to the priest
5.  Do the Penance the priest gives you.

That's it.  Make a good examination of conscience.  NOT over and over.  ONE good honest one.  

Then, ask for the graces to have a true sorrow for your sins.  This does NOT mean tears coursing down your cheeks every Confession!  The simple desire to have true sorrow--sorry because we've offended God--I repeat, the desire is enough.

Have a firm purpose of amendment.  Not an "Oh, well, I'll just confess it so I can go to Holy Communion, but after confession I'll go ahead and keep stealing those candy bars (or whatever)!"

Tell your sins--Now.  If you forget any...absolutely any...they are forgiven.  The important thing is to confess ALL mortal sins.  I think this is where you're getting hung up.  If you have honestly forgotten one in confession, it's still forgiven.  If you remember it later, it's ok to still go to Holy Communion--it's been forgiven, but you HAVE to confess that you forgot one at your next Confession.  But you didn't just make a bad confession!  If you have the honest will to confess all mortal sins, then Our Lord sees that.  He knows your true intent was to confess.  Since you're worried that you're pushing them out of your head, then you probably are NOT.  

And of course, do your penance.

If you fulfill all those, you've just made a good Confession.  

I think that your problem is you tend to over think things.  Remember, in order to be a mortal sin, it has to fulfill 3 conditions.  1.  Serious matter   2.  Full consent
3.  Done willingly (deliberate consent)

Serious matter--killing a man vs punching someone?  Extorting thousands of dollars vs pennies of interest on a savings account?  

You see? 

My main advice to you would be to try to be more child-like.  Children are so simple and innocent; you've got to stop this!  Of course the devil doesn't want you to go to Holy Communion and tries to trick you into thinking you've made a bad confession.

As someone else said, you must TRUST.  Pray for that grace!

I would highly reccommend the book written by Mother Mary Loyola.  It's titled "My First Confession" and is written for 8-10 year olds.  It explains the purpose of Confession and tells you how to make a good one.  It's excellent; I enjoy reading it every time I teach my children!  Very quick read; you might want to look into it.  

Good luck!  My prayers are with you.  And go to Holy Communion today!  If you're afraid you've made an unworthy confession, you probably just made a good one.  That devil is very very sneaky.