Is anyone else sick of the condescending, impudent tone and the arrogance of some of the sedevacantist posters on this forum (and elsewhere)?

Some of them seem very childish: automatically down-voting anything questioning their theories, meddling into SSPX crisis, pontificating on what the SSPX-ers should do and think, behaving as if they alone posses the only truth that ought to be believed, whining about their personal problems with other forum members, posting and re-posting crappy copy-and-paste articles, etc..

The "Crisis in the Church" forum has become the playpen of these sedevacantists, and it's pretty sad.

Not all the sedevacantists do this (and a minority of them do real good, such as providing articles of Fenton and arguing rationally), but most of the outspoken ones seem to behave this way.

They should take a good look at themselves before they have the grace of telling the SSPX-ers what to do or think. Their situation will always be worse than that of the SSPX.

It's like they're almost coin-operated.

Save your quarters, people!

And all thise, I thought it was the SPPXrs that were condescending, arrogant and rude...taking great measures and engaging in calumny to try to discredit and destroy Sedevacantist Parishes. Silly me.

The Jury has spoken, and its pretty clear by simply following tradition and teachings, that at a minimum JP2 and Benedict  Ratzinger are Heretics. Both have done what no others dared to: Visit Sinagogues.




Canon LXV of the Holy Apostles:
"If any clergymen, or laymen, enter a ѕуηαgσgυє of Jєωs, or of heretics, to pray, let him be both deposed and excommunicated."


Canon XLV of the Holy Apostles
"Let any Bishop, or Presbyter, or deacon that merely joins in prayer with heretics be suspended, but if he had permitted them to perform any service as Clergymen, let him be deposed."

No, the sedevacantists do too good of a job of destroying each other: no one else needs to intervene or "infiltrate."

Ain't that the truth!

Sanborn, for example, has been doing for years what Bishop Fellay did to the Dominicans recently: denying Orders to Seminarians and expelling them (even persecuting them after they are expelled) just because they refuse to pay him unquestionable obedience, or just because they receive the Sacraments from CMRI Priests.

Dolan and Cekada are complicit in the anti-Catholic activities of Sanborn's cult at Brooksville, FL.

The sedevacantists who have criticized Fellay should first put their own affairs in order before warning the SSPX-ers of Fellay's chicanery and deceit, especially with all the conspiratorial politics that should serve to embarass them, the Pavlovian pseudo-catechist devices that have demoralized and stupefied them, and the Stockholm Syndrome stricken clerics who tolerate outright pastoral abuse and negligence and actively abet it.

So they should take a good look at the mirror before they meddle in the anti-accordista's resistance against Fellay, or (like Cekada and other parasites and vultures) attempt to profit and take advantage of this sad situation.

Raoul76 here ( it said Guest Unregistered when I previewed this post )

I am not as upset about what is happening in SSPX as SSPX members are.  I am more upset by the very existence of SSPX.  I couldn't care less about what kind of distractions the devil comes up with to keep people from realizing we have no Pope.  

I am pretty sure I predicted here that Bp. Fellay would not sign with Rome, because that has been the routine all along -- SSPX seems to come close to signing with Rome, everyone gets nervous, then they don't, and everyone is relieved.  Then this repeats every five years or so.

Here is an article from 2008 where you can see the same routine -- the exact same --

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/06/fellay-on-ultimatum.html

I will refrain from saying this is all staged and a calculated game, though when it happens over and over, it doesn't look too good.  What is beyond doubt, is that this is never how Catholics have acted in the past; never before has a heretic been given ten billion chances, been engaged in ten million talks, that never go anywhere, instead of simply being declared a heretic.  What makes it worse is that SSPX has no more authority than the sedes or anyone else to decide how to handle this, but they have set themselves up as arbiters.

Never before in the Church has anything like SSPX been seen.  It is enough to make you want to weep tears of frustration.  Then when you do, they call you "uncharitable."  We'll see what God has to see about that; some allowance perhaps will be made due to the blindness of the SSPX members that leads to our outbursts, because SSPX is by no means harmless.  If Vatican II is like someone who stabs the Church in the back,  SSPX is like a nurse that administers poison in the dying victim's IV, because the longer they keep up this charade, the fewer true bishops there are, and the more Catholics grow cold and lose the faith.

It also doesn't look good that SSPX even gets an audience with "Rome" in the first place; because these people do not play games, and if SSPX even has access to them, it already raises some questions.  Do you think Bp. Pivarunas could get an audience with Benedict?  That is, assuming he would even want to or need to have an audience with a notorious non-Catholic, which he does not?

All the furor over signing with Rome is a red herring, because by accepting the anti-Popes, they have already "signed" with Rome, they are already filling their niche in the Masonic plot as gatekeepers, consciously or unconsciously.  They are such classic gatekeepers that it's not even funny, they epitomize the word.

SSPX has a niche -- people who are in-between Conciliar Catholics and sedes.  They have gotten themselves into a position where this has become their business model.  If they became sedes, or if they joined Rome officially, there would be no more SSPX.  Now, I am not saying that they are driven by financial motives, perhaps some are, perhaps all are, perhaps none are, but they have backed themselves into a corner.  There is a clear interest, professional and financial, for SSPX priests to not face the truth, which certainly does not make things easier.

Has anyone else considered that the relatively phenomenal success of the SSPX apostolate in traditional Catholicism might be precisely because they take the more prudent course,

Yes, but took, not take.

stick to what is absolutely certain in terms of the Faith,

Yes, but stuck, not stick.

and don't dabble in speculative matters and judgments?

Yes, but didn't, not don't.

It's all past tense now!

Thie above post is posted by Emerentiana.  This subforum did not register me as such!

You unregistered posters are the lowest........You dont have the guts to post  as registered posters.

Take that up with the moderator: everyone has a right to use the Anonymous Posts Allowed forum, precisely because of cultists who act on impulse and emotion instead of reason, and down-vote anything that disturbs their sensibilities regarding disputed matters.

The sedevacantists on this forum are just as caring and as upset for what  is taking place in the SSPX, as the SSPX members are.

Yes, some of them, but some others really want the SSPX to be scattered and disarrayed so that the monolithic sedevacantist groups can gain ideological and socio-economic profit.

That's no secret: the proof is that the sedevacantist clergy are too quick to criticize the SSPX without first considering that what they themselves have done is exactly what Fellay has been doing, though in a different sense.

What Fellay is doing with modernism, the sede bishops (with few exceptions) have been doing with self-promulgating deformities of their own versions of Catholicism.

We are ALL Catholics and members of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Yes, but some like the Dimond Brothers or Sanborn are not: they are schismatics.

This is the only forum that allows ilk like you to post!

Post somewhere else if you don't like reading this.

Lane re-opened his forum late last year: go there if you want party-line moderation.

No unity is promoted by your vile comments.

People see only what they wish to see, and nothing more: your emotional ranting does not diminish the horrible realities that you choose to ignore.

Here's my thing: there can be no true, lasting unity if people refuse to earnestly look at themselves and honestly evaluate the clergy to whom they have entrusted their souls. Idealizing, dichotomizing and compartmentalizing is not the way to go, but neither is shoving your head in the sand and closing your eyes to what is happening with to the "movement."

Don't you people get it!? What Fellay is doing with the SSPX is what the megalomaniac bishops and priests of the sedevacantist "movement" have done to this same "movement" for decades! If you think the betrayals that menace the SSPX are horrible, that doesn't even compare to what will happen to the sedevacantists if nothing is done to remedy the very real problems with their "movement."

Go away!

Gee, how kind of you... However, though I myself may soon leave, reality will not go away that easily.