Author Topic: Cohabitating family members (Read 1447 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** May 15, 2017, 10:19:55 PM »

How should trad Catholic families deal with cohabitating family members and relatives around holidays?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2017, 11:02:02 PM »

It seems to me that you would treat it as your family typically would. Families are all different and I'm sure you would use common sense. It basically boils down to closeness of the relation (grandparent vs 2nd cousin), genders, and ages. Regardless of being Traditional Catholic, you trust in God and try to do what is right. Go back a couple hundred years, in different countries, and you will find many large family living in 4 room (or smaller houses). My 3 bedroom house was built in 1910 and was home to a family with 9 children. I'm sure they had people over for Christmas. Just do what's right and don't overthink it.

Nadir · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2017, 11:25:57 PM »

I understand that OP is referring to couples living together as if married although not married i.e. Fornicating.

RoughAshlar · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2017, 11:43:40 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on May 15, 2017, 11:25:57 PM

I understand that OP is referring to couples living together as if married although not married i.e. Fornicating.

I apologize then. I misread the OP's meaning then. Then I will revise my answer. While you can't seem to get away from it in this world, I would say then that it would be up to your discretion. For myself, I would not let the couple spend the night in the house together. As far as visiting and sharing a meal or something with in reason, then sure. I really oppose shutting out family because our faith/morals are different than theirs. You only get one father/mother/sister/brother and you won't convert them by looking down your nose and excluding them. Hiding it from your family and children is not realistic. They will see it in school, media, and culture, if not now, when they are older. It is Everywhere in the moral collapse of the country. Pretending that its not there doesn't make it go away, but confronting it on your own terms is a different story. Just my two cents.

Stubborn · « **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2017, 05:40:39 AM »

Quote from: RoughAshlar on May 15, 2017, 11:43:40 PM

I apologize then. I misread the OP's meaning then. Then I will revise my answer. While you can't seem to get away from it in this world, I would say then that it would be up to your discretion. For myself, I would not let the couple spend the night in the house together. As far as visiting and sharing a meal or something with in reason, then sure. I really oppose shutting out family because our faith/morals are different than theirs. You only get one father/mother/sister/brother and you won't convert them by looking down your nose and excluding them. Hiding it from your family and children is not realistic. They will see it in school, media, and culture, if not now, when they are older. It is Everywhere in the moral collapse of the country. Pretending that its not there doesn't make it go away, but confronting it on your own terms is a different story. Just my two cents.

You are describing what some liberal “conservatives” might do, but we are trad Catholics, we shake the dust from our feet for the same reason the Apostles were told by Our Lord to shake the dust from their feet. They understand that we have nothing to do with them and will take no part in their scandal, not for funerals, not for holidays, not for weddings – the only communications or associations should be to remind the public sinners of their eternity in order to get them to choose their faith over their sin so that they come back to the faith.

We do this for the hope that they will follow our example, heed our words, cease their sinning and return to the faith, also for the sake of our own soul’s well being, that by avoiding / shunning them that we do not come to accept in any way their public sin thus falling into the same trap as them. Also and perhaps most important, to show God where we stand, i.e. with Him, even when it means the price is our own mother or father or even if it means our whole family.

It was only a short time ago that society as a whole used to publicly rebuke such immorality, such persons would be disowned by family and society and no one would have anything to do with them. There was much less human respect weakness in those days - as there should be still.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2017, 08:26:07 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on May 16, 2017, 05:40:39 AM

You are describing what some liberal “conservatives” might do, but we are trad Catholics, we shake the dust from our feet for the same reason the Apostles were told by Our Lord to shake the dust from their feet. They understand that we have nothing to do with them and will take no part in their scandal, not for funerals, not for holidays, not for weddings – the only communications or associations should be to remind the public sinners of their eternity in order to get them to choose their faith over their sin so that they come back to the faith.

We do this for the hope that they will follow our example, heed our words, cease their sinning and return to the faith, also for the sake of our own soul’s well being, that by avoiding / shunning them that we do not come to accept in any way their public sin thus falling into the same trap as them. Also and perhaps most important, to show God where we stand, i.e. with Him, even when it means the price is our own mother or father or even if it means our whole family.

It was only a short time ago that society as a whole used to publicly rebuke such immorality, such persons would be disowned by family and society and no one would have anything to do with them. There was much less human respect weakness in those days - as there should be still.

I concur. We must follow the example of Our Lord who never associated, and most certainly never shared a meal, with public sinners. Oh wait . . .

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2017, 08:44:00 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on May 16, 2017, 08:26:07 AM

I concur. We must follow the example of Our Lord who never associated, and most certainly never shared a meal, with public sinners. Oh wait . . .

^^^^ Novus Ordo thinking.

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2017, 09:15:26 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on May 15, 2017, 11:02:02 PM

It seems to me that you would treat it as your family typically would. Families are all different and I'm sure you would use common sense. It basically boils down to closeness of the relation (grandparent vs 2nd cousin), genders, and ages. Regardless of being Traditional Catholic, you trust in God and try to do what is right. Go back a couple hundred years, in different countries, and you will find many large family living in 4 room (or smaller houses). My 3 bedroom house was built in 1910 and was home to a family with 9 children. I'm sure they had people over for Christmas. Just do what's right and don't overthink it.

This was your response even though you thought he meant "family members living together"? Huh?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with family members living under the same roof! I'm currently living with my wife, 6 daughters, and 1 son. Not even a fault or imperfection, much less a sin. Moral theologians would say: NO SIN.

Cohabitation means a man and a woman (unrelated) living together who are not married. Fornication is NOT necessarily presumed. Cohabitation (as defined in the previous sentence) is mortally sinful because it is an unnecessary, PROXIMATE (near) occasion of sin for the parties involved. It is also scandalous.

I don't think it applies to "house guests", unless the wife or husband is alone in the house, and the "guest" is a member of the opposite sex.

Cohabiting can be summed up by the old-fashioned slang term, "playing house". If someone wouldn't joke that a couple is "playing house" (pretending that they are married, living in common together), then it isn't cohabitation.

2 men or 2 women living as roommates is also not cohabitation. Perversion, or being seriously twisted/mentally ill (the real definition of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ), is not presumed, nor SHOULD IT be presumed.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** May 16, 2017, 09:28:01 AM »

P.S.

I know, first-hand, of a situation where a Trad woman, married with several children, took in a (pagan) homeless man that she knew from the Internet -- who was her age -- to stay in her house. Her marriage already had issues. But months later, she became pregnant (by the homeless man) and she ran away with him. It wasn't until 8 years later that her new "boyfriend" left her. I don't know what became of her after that.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** May 16, 2017, 09:35:12 AM »

Here is why I had to respond. It was a situation similar to this:

Anonymous: Is masturbation a sin?

John: Well, it depends on the person, his age, gender, and temperament. Some people just can't stand the stress of city life, and they enjoy open spaces, fresh air, and maybe they want to raise livestock. Or maybe they inherited a property from their parents or other relatives. So just keep them in your prayers...

Frank: Um... I think Anonymous is talking about masturbation, namely "willful indulgence of sɛҳuąƖ pleasure outside of lawful marital commerce." He's not talking about "moving to the country".

Matthew: To John -- HUH!?! That was your response, even though you thought he meant, "Moving to the country?" Um... how do I say this... MOVING TO THE COUNTRY IS NOT A SIN! At all!

(Posted by Matthew)

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** May 16, 2017, 11:25:46 PM »

Our daughter was cohabitating. She asked if "he" could come to the house for Thanksgiving. I told our daughter, no, he is not family. He is still married. IF his wife decides to return, You, our daughter is in the way. You are not available to be with him, and him with you, no. She was hurt. Oh, well. She said, "We'll his family takes me in". I said, "What you are trying to say, is that they don't care if you are fornicating. WE do care and we do not accept your ways.

She came by herself. I and my husband have no regrets. The main family are watching how mom and dad handle issues. We stick by God's Laws. Well, 3 years later, this man leaves and our daughter hurts and hurts. But she is learning and learning the hard way. Sad to say! Many Prayers.

Stubborn · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2017, 04:27:15 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on May 16, 2017, 08:26:07 AM

I concur. We must follow the example of Our Lord who never associated, and most certainly never shared a meal, with public sinners. Oh wait . . .

Yes, oh wait, please enlighten us as to which members of Our Lord's family cohabited or were guilty of scandal or public sin?
Try to always remember that those times when He did associate with public sinners, it was for a specific purpose. It was to remind them of their judgement to come and to repent from their sin - not to socialize to keep the peace or for the sake of getting along or act as if their public sin did not exist.
What you posted is the way the faithless, the NOers and the prots like to misconstrue the actions of Our Lord in their attempt to excuse themselves from having any convictions against the abomination of cohabitation "for the sake of family", but trad Catholics live their convictions.

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