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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #320 on: Yesterday at 03:01:32 PM »
Any pre-V2 Catholic commentary on heels? 

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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #321 on: Yesterday at 03:43:05 PM »


I have explained this multiple times already. I will explain yet again.

The issue is not that it is absolutely a positive doubt, but it is the step before that, which leads to a positive doubt. Which cannot be dismissed. It is credible suspicion. Suspicion that cannot be dismissed just because you like some Thuc priests or bishops want it to be otherwise. There was a MORAL OBLIGATION to investigate. Which sadly was not done by anyone during his lifettime. Now we do not have the means. In the absence of this ability to investigate we are OBLIGED TO ABSTAIN.

This should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. It is the obstinacy of people who do not want to reflect and accept this moral obligation which makes it stubbornness and it is sinful. Gravely so.
There is really only one time in the theology of the Church and this has been outlined for thousands of years that we must NOT PRESUME VALIDITY, and this is when the minister THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY DIRECTLY HAD THE OPPOSITE OPINION.

This is well docuмented and quite obvious. But it is conveniently left out by Thuc priests.


I am really getting weary of this hack job theology that goes on with so many faithful. But I keep going in the hope that there are some good willed folks out there reading this that might care enough to save their souls.
Thank you for finally explaining clearly, that makes sense and I have often thought of it that way myself, but was unsure. I will look into it. 


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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #322 on: Yesterday at 05:38:56 PM »
Any pre-V2 Catholic commentary on heels?
Not sure but they originate from 'dancers and workers' putting it mildly. Heels cause the butt and chest to stick out and curve the lower back, all increasing sensuality, so clearly immodest. Taking about high heels, mens heels came from horse riding as the heel helped secure a hold.

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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #323 on: Today at 08:39:20 AM »
Thank you for finally explaining clearly, that makes sense and I have often thought of it that way myself, but was unsure. I will look into it.
And thank you for having the humility to listen.
May God bless you.

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« Reply #324 on: Today at 09:14:51 AM »
I have explained this multiple times already. I will explain yet again.

The issue is not that it is absolutely a positive doubt, but it is the step before that, which leads to a positive doubt. Which cannot be dismissed. 

You're an idiot and uneducated.  There are only 2 types of doubt, in regards to sacraments.  Negative and Positive. 

Negative is based on feelings or imagination or facts which don't apply or heresay. 
"Oh, I don't think Fr X is a priest because I heard that 20 years ago, he skipped a year of seminary."
"Did you check to see if this accusation of missing a year is true?"
"No."  or "I don't know."
Conclusion -- this "doubt" is not based on reality.  Negative doubts are not factual.


Positive doubt is based on factual events, or evidence, which according to canon law, would make a rational person question validity.
The areas of positive doubt involve the sacraments themselves.
-- Was +Thuc a valid bishop?  Yes.  No one denies this.
-- Did +Thuc perform valid ordinations?  This is what everyone questions, but you have to look at the details.

-- Did +Thuc perform the ordination ceremonies validity and completely?  No one denies this.
-- Were the proper matter/form used?  Yes.
-- Did +Thuc know who he was, where he was, what he was doing, etc?  (i.e. was he sane?)  Yes, everyone says he was sane.


+Thuc's PERSONAL/INTERNAL intention (which he allegedly made public, though this has never been confirmed) does not affect the sacraments.  The Church's intention is all that matters.  And the Church's intention = the form of the sacrament (i.e. the prayers which the bishop says).

The PERSONAL/INTERNAL intention does not affect sacraments, or else an atheist could not validly baptize.  An atheist surely doesn't have ANY intention towards the sacraments, but he can still baptize.  Why?  Because the CHURCH'S INTENTION IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

There is no positive doubt in regards to +Thuc ordinations...the only *possible* exception being the Palmaranians in Spain...  Outside of this, all of his Traditional rites were witnessed, and were involving other priests who were there.  They had no positive doubts.  They are eye witnesses.