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Änσnymσus

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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #300 on: Yesterday at 05:43:26 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 11:16:06 AM
Does anyone know Tom? I believe someone called him irrational so I’m hesitant to believe him. 
He isn’t irrational as a person, because he does say true and good things as well.

However when it comes to the Thuc situation there always involves rash judgements and a scoffing spirit from what I can tell, both of which are irrational and uncharitable. Others would be more willing to listen to his position if he simply stayed on topic. 
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« Reply #301 on: Yesterday at 07:08:02 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 05:37:03 PM
Glad you asked.

Saint Francis de Sales on mockery, taken from Introduction to the Devout Life.

“One of the worst conditions that a person can be in is to be a scoffer: God hates this vice extremely, and has in the past inflicted strange punishments for it. Nothing is so contrary to charity, and much more to devotion, as contempt and scorn for our neighbour. Now derision and mockery can never be indulged in without this contempt; and therefore it is a very grave sin, so that theologians are right in saying that mockery is the worst sort of offence that we can commit against our neighbour by words, because other offences are committed with some esteem of him who is offended, but this is committed with contempt and scorn.”

Chapter XXVII
Of Propriety in words, and of the Respect Which We Owe to Others
Hmm so if a man who gets rejected by a women is laughed at would that be a mortal sin? Or if people make light of their attempt and joke about it is it a mortal sin? It seems to me there is a light joking form of mockery and a more serious mockery. What do you think?
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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #302 on: Yesterday at 07:52:26 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 07:08:02 PM
Hmm so if a man who gets rejected by a women is laughed at would that be a mortal sin? Or if people make light of their attempt and joke about it is it a mortal sin? It seems to me there is a light joking form of mockery and a more serious mockery. What do you think?
I'm glad you mentioned this. The saint does distinguish between mockery and good-hearted humour, actually in the next paragraph of the text I quoted.

“But as to playful words which are spoken with a modest gaiety and mirth, they belong to the virtue called eutrapelia by the Greeks, and which we might call geniality; and by this means we derive a good and pleasant recreation from the opportunities of mirth, which human imperfections supply. But we must be on our guard against passing from this honest mirth to mockery. Now mockery provokes laughter by scorn and contempt of our neighbour; but honest gaiety and pleasantry provoke laughter by an innocent liberty, confidence and homely freedom, connected with the playful wittiness of some saying. St Louis, when religious persons wished to speak to him of serious things after dinner, used to say: It is not the time to discuss and cite authorities, but to recreate ourselves with mirth and quolibets: let each one say what he likes modestly. And he said this for the sake of the nobles who were gathered about him to receive favours from his Majesty. But, Philothea, let us so pass time by recreation that we may secure holy eternity by devotion.”

It seems to me that the key difference is whether we truly will the good of the other, and those around, in our joking manners; do we wish for light-hearted laughter that relieves the soul from time to time, or do we wish to subtly jab the other person, the latter being a fault all too common between men. A lot of men seem to think these subtle jabs are a sign of masculinity, when in fact it is a sign of weakness and effeminacy. It seems this is oftentimes done because the man is obviously so insecure about himself, he feels the need to take another down to deflect from his own bad behaviour, or inferiority. 
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #303 on: Today at 03:50:00 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 05:43:26 PM
He isn’t irrational as a person, because he does say true and good things as well.

However when it comes to the Thuc situation there always involves rash judgements and a scoffing spirit from what I can tell, both of which are irrational and uncharitable. Others would be more willing to listen to his position if he simply stayed on topic.


Lol. "Other things". You thucists are insane.

Disregarding the gravity of potentially invalid Sacraments is a mortal sin you moron. You wanna call taking the Sacraments seriously as something irrational? God give you free will. But dont post up here like you haven't been warned.

Everything I apply to Thuc is based on the mind of the Church. You apply the mind of Sedevacantist priests, who OF COURSE are going to want to justify their own ordination.
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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #304 on: Today at 03:54:47 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 02:49:55 PM
Even if one accepts that every single Thuc priest is doubtfully ordained —which is not true— that means that Thuc sacraments are in the same level as Orthodox sacraments — both are doubtful. 

Yet you try to make them of a different level.  You’re an idiot.



Lol. I don't know where to begin with such silliness

Re read your own sentence. A doubt is just that, a doubt! It means they could very well be valid. And probably are to be honest. But the whole point is that when it comes to the Sacraments, we have to take the most risk averse position possible when there is even a WHIFF of a possibility that the person may have withheld intention. 


Tell me how many Thuc Sacraments have you received? Probably a lot. Usually this explains why people want to defend it to their grave. Because its embarrassing for them to think that their confessions may have been invalid. Either its that or an emotional attachment to some Thuc line priest or Bishops. Maybe even a youtube sermon that moved them. Either way you Thucist are extremely emotional and blind. 


But don't worry, I'll be here to mercilessly harass you.
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