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Änσnymσus

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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #295 on: Today at 04:10:00 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 03:37:29 PM
AFAIK the Church has always held the Orders of the "Orthodox" to be valid as they use proper matter, form, intention. They do not hold heretical beliefs concerning those Sacraments that would cause their intention to differ from that of the Church's. If Tom treats +Thuc line Orders as invalid I think he, if nothing else, would be acting consistently by opting for a schismatic priest in danger of death
Canon law forbids using either doubtful or schismatic sacraments, unless there's an emergency.  Practically, there's no difference.

But this all assumes that +Thuc sacraments are doubtfully valid.  Which they aren't.  Anyone who lumps all +Thuc priests together shows their ignorance right off the bat.
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« Reply #296 on: Today at 04:57:46 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Today at 03:42:05 PM
How is mocking others a mortal sin?
It's not, this person is just weaponizing religion because they lost.
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« Reply #297 on: Today at 05:01:56 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Today at 04:10:00 PM
Canon law forbids using either doubtful or schismatic sacraments, unless there's an emergency.  Practically, there's no difference.

But this all assumes that +Thuc sacraments are doubtfully valid.  Which they aren't.  Anyone who lumps all +Thuc priests together shows their ignorance right off the bat.
I think what Tom was getting at is that he would rather have a priest (albeit schismatic) with Orders he doesn't doubt, as opposed to a Catholic who's Orders he does doubt and has treated as invalid up until that point. That is the difference. I would be interested to see if theologians dealt with that scenario (schismatic priest vs Catholic doubtful priest in danger of death)

The difference is probably more easily shown if it was a schismatic Orthodox priest and a Novus Ordo priest. Many trads hold Novus Ordo Orders to be doubtful, so it would seem to me that an Orthodox priest (if he would even be willing to provide the Sacraments) would be the safer course in danger of death

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« Reply #298 on: Today at 05:33:23 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Today at 10:59:25 AM
The very fact of his public letter renouncing his traditionalistm, his Novus Ordo Masses, photographs abound, show that he was clearly mentally unwell, and therefore claims that he withheld intention are to be taken very seriously. You heard one side, now listen to the other. Instead of blocking up your ears like a stubborn mule.


The Sacraments are the most serious thing we have on earth. Any claim that a line might be doubtful should not be dismissed lightly.

When you have a perfectly valid Lefebvre line, you should not go running off to a line as Thucs just because they issue sweet sounds in the matter of sedevacantism. We cannot verify the claims because the man is dead.

Any assertion by the Thuc cultists priests is just an assertion. That's it. We cannot verify it. So any one who runs head long into these Sacraments is taking his eternal salvation very lightly indeed and will be held to account strictly.


What I find hilarious is the utter foolishness of you people. And yet, it is tragic because you really risk damning your souls. I would sooner go to an orthodox priest (in danger of death - which Canon Law allows) than go to a Thuc priest. Because at least the orthodox respect Sacramental theology.
The Church cannot and never judges the internal forum. You have no evidence he withheld intention. I also recall reading that when the declaration was presented to him to sign, he was then unable to read anymore, worn down as he was by old age and his various crosses. The delegates of JPII lied to him about what was written down. There is good reason to believe that something like this happened, the Vatican hated him and his family.
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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #299 on: Today at 05:37:03 PM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Today at 03:42:05 PM
How is mocking others a mortal sin?
Glad you asked.

Saint Francis de Sales on mockery, taken from Introduction to the Devout Life.

“One of the worst conditions that a person can be in is to be a scoffer: God hates this vice extremely, and has in the past inflicted strange punishments for it. Nothing is so contrary to charity, and much more to devotion, as contempt and scorn for our neighbour. Now derision and mockery can never be indulged in without this contempt; and therefore it is a very grave sin, so that theologians are right in saying that mockery is the worst sort of offence that we can commit against our neighbour by words, because other offences are committed with some esteem of him who is offended, but this is committed with contempt and scorn.”

Chapter XXVII
Of Propriety in words, and of the Respect Which We Owe to Others
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