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On the Kind of Women Who Ought to be Taken as Wives
1. That I was absent from you in the previous assembly, I grieved; but that you enjoyed a richer table, I rejoiced. I grieved because of my affection for you, but I was glad because of the excellence of the speaker. For such is the nature of love: it desires to be present, yet it prefers the benefit of those loved.My absence was not due to negligence, but to a necessity of health; yet my mind was with you.
Just as a physician, even when not present, inquires about the wounds of his patients, I also return to see how you have fared. Today, I wish to address the matter of marriage—not to condemn marriage, for "marriage is honorable and the bed undefiled," but to correct those who use it poorly. Many men today do not seek a partner for life, but a business transaction. They look for gold, for land, and for nobility of ancestors, while the character of the woman is the last thing they consider.
2. Why do you seek a rich wife? Tell me. Is it so that you may live in luxury? But a rich wife often brings with her a spirit of pride and a tongue that is sharper than a sword. She does not come to you as a helper, but as a mistress. She looks upon you not as her husband, but as her servant, because she brought the wealth. Do you wish to buy your own slavery?
When a man takes a wife who is much wealthier than himself, he loses his own authority in the house. He cannot rebuke her, he cannot guide her, for she immediately throws her dowry in his face. "I brought you this house," she says, "I brought you these servants, I brought you this silver." In seeking to be rich, you have lost the freedom of your own home.Is it not better to have a modest wife and peace, than a rich wife and a daily war?
3. And what of nobility? You say, "She is of a great family." But what is nobility to us? In the Church, nobility is not found in the blood of ancestors, but in the virtue of the soul. If she is the daughter of a consul but is foul-tempered, she is ignoble. If she is the daughter of a common laborer but is God-fearing, she is more noble than any queen.
Do not look to the tombs of her fathers, but to the disposition of her heart. For when you are in the house together, it is not her ancestors who will comfort you in your sorrow, but her own kindness. It is not her family's rank that will manage your home, but her own wisdom.
4. Then there is the matter of physical beauty.[ This is the greatest deception of all. Beauty of the face is a fleeting thing; it is at the mercy of time, of disease, and of the elements. A single fever can wither it; the passing of years will surely erase it. If you love your wife only because she is beautiful to the eye, what will you do when that beauty is gone? Will your love vanish with her youth?
Seek instead the beauty of the soul. A woman who is virtuous, even if she is not fair of face, becomes beautiful to her husband because of her goodness. But a woman who is physically beautiful but lacks virtue is like a golden ring in a pig's snout. Her outward appearance only makes her internal ugliness more visible. The beauty of the soul never grows old; it flourishes in old age and remains even after death.
5. God created woman to be a "helper." But what kind of help did He mean? He divided our life into two parts: public and private. To the man, He gave the business of the marketplace, the courts of justice, the defense of the city, and the labor of the field. To the woman, He gave the management of the household, the nurturing of children, and the creation of a refuge for her husband.
Neither should despise the work of the other.For a man can spend all day in the marketplace, but if he returns to a house that is in disorder and a wife who is contentious, his labor is in vain. And a woman can manage a home perfectly, but if the husband does not provide, the home cannot stand. God made us to need one another, so that through our mutual need, we might be bound together in love.
6. Therefore, when you are choosing a wife, do not ask the matchmakers about her money. Ask instead: "Is she modest? Does she know how to remain at home? Is she a woman of prayer? Does she treat her servants with kindness? Is she disciplined in her speech?" If she has these things, she is richer than any woman with a mountain of gold.
If you find a wife who fears God, you have found a port of peace. She will be a counselor to you in your difficulties, a source of strength in your poverty, and a teacher of virtue to your children. She will not demand pearls and expensive silks, for her ornament is a quiet and humble spirit.
7. And I say this also to you, the husbands: If you want a virtuous wife, you must be a virtuous man. You cannot demand from her what you do not practice yourself. How can you expect her to be modest if you are at the theater looking at other women? How can you expect her to be quiet if you are loud and abusive?
Marriage is a yoke. If the two oxen do not pull in the same direction, the plow will not move. Honor your wife, for she is your own body. As the Apostle says, "He who loves his wife loves himself." Treat her with the greatest reverence, for she is the partner of your life and the mother of your heirs.
8. Let us then cast away these worldly standards. Let us not seek wealth that perishes, nor beauty that fades, nor nobility that is but a name. Let us seek the wealth of the soul and the beauty of virtue. If we build our marriages on this foundation, our homes will be like small churches, and the peace of God will dwell within them.
Thus, we shall pass through this life with all freedom and security, and we shall be counted worthy of the kingdom of heaven, by the grace and love for man of our Lord Jesus Christ, to whom, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, be glory and power, now and always, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.
-Translated by google.
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https://greekdownloads3.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/quales-ducendae-sint-uxores.pdf
On the Kind of Women Who Ought to be Taken as Wives
1. That I was absent from you in the previous assembly, I grieved; but that you enjoyed a richer table, I rejoiced. I grieved because of my affection for you, but I was glad because of the excellence of the speaker. For such is the nature of love: it desires to be present, yet it prefers the benefit of those loved.My absence was not due to negligence, but to a necessity of health; yet my mind was with you.
Just as a physician, even when not present, inquires about the wounds of his patients, I also return to see how you have fared. Today, I wish to address the matter of marriage—not to condemn marriage, for "marriage is honorable and the bed undefiled," but to correct those who use it poorly. Many men today do not seek a partner for life, but a business transaction. They look for gold, for land, and for nobility of ancestors, while the character of the woman is the last thing they consider.
2. Why do you seek a rich wife? Tell me. Is it so that you may live in luxury? But a rich wife often brings with her a spirit of pride and a tongue that is sharper than a sword. She does not come to you as a helper, but as a mistress. She looks upon you not as her husband, but as her servant, because she brought the wealth. Do you wish to buy your own slavery?
When a man takes a wife who is much wealthier than himself, he loses his own authority in the house. He cannot rebuke her, he cannot guide her, for she immediately throws her dowry in his face. "I brought you this house," she says, "I brought you these servants, I brought you this silver." In seeking to be rich, you have lost the freedom of your own home.Is it not better to have a modest wife and peace, than a rich wife and a daily war?
3. And what of nobility? You say, "She is of a great family." But what is nobility to us? In the Church, nobility is not found in the blood of ancestors, but in the virtue of the soul. If she is the daughter of a consul but is foul-tempered, she is ignoble. If she is the daughter of a common laborer but is God-fearing, she is more noble than any queen.
Do not look to the tombs of her fathers, but to the disposition of her heart. For when you are in the house together, it is not her ancestors who will comfort you in your sorrow, but her own kindness. It is not her family's rank that will manage your home, but her own wisdom.
4. Then there is the matter of physical beauty.[ This is the greatest deception of all. Beauty of the face is a fleeting thing; it is at the mercy of time, of disease, and of the elements. A single fever can wither it; the passing of years will surely erase it. If you love your wife only because she is beautiful to the eye, what will you do when that beauty is gone? Will your love vanish with her youth?
Seek instead the beauty of the soul. A woman who is virtuous, even if she is not fair of face, becomes beautiful to her husband because of her goodness. But a woman who is physically beautiful but lacks virtue is like a golden ring in a pig's snout. Her outward appearance only makes her internal ugliness more visible. The beauty of the soul never grows old; it flourishes in old age and remains even after death.
5. God created woman to be a "helper." But what kind of help did He mean? He divided our life into two parts: public and private. To the man, He gave the business of the marketplace, the courts of justice, the defense of the city, and the labor of the field. To the woman, He gave the management of the household, the nurturing of children, and the creation of a refuge for her husband.
Neither should despise the work of the other.For a man can spend all day in the marketplace, but if he returns to a house that is in disorder and a wife who is contentious, his labor is in vain. And a woman can manage a home perfectly, but if the husband does not provide, the home cannot stand. God made us to need one another, so that through our mutual need, we might be bound together in love.
6. Therefore, when you are choosing a wife, do not ask the matchmakers about her money. Ask instead: "Is she modest? Does she know how to remain at home? Is she a woman of prayer? Does she treat her servants with kindness? Is she disciplined in her speech?" If she has these things, she is richer than any woman with a mountain of gold.
If you find a wife who fears God, you have found a port of peace. She will be a counselor to you in your difficulties, a source of strength in your poverty, and a teacher of virtue to your children. She will not demand pearls and expensive silks, for her ornament is a quiet and humble spirit.
7. And I say this also to you, the husbands: If you want a virtuous wife, you must be a virtuous man. You cannot demand from her what you do not practice yourself. How can you expect her to be modest if you are at the theater looking at other women? How can you expect her to be quiet if you are loud and abusive?
Marriage is a yoke. If the two oxen do not pull in the same direction, the plow will not move. Honor your wife, for she is your own body. As the Apostle says, "He who loves his wife loves himself." Treat her with the greatest reverence, for she is the partner of your life and the mother of your heirs.
8. Let us then cast away these worldly standards. Let us not seek wealth that perishes, nor beauty that fades, nor nobility that is but a name. Let us seek the wealth of the soul and the beauty of virtue. If we build our marriages on this foundation, our homes will be like small churches, and the peace of God will dwell within them.
Thus, we shall pass through this life with all freedom and security, and we shall be counted worthy of the kingdom of heaven, by the grace and love for man of our Lord Jesus Christ, to whom, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, be glory and power, now and always, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.
-Translated by google.
Unfortunately most women aren't like that. I've met plenty of loud trad girls...
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So don't take them as wives.
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Unfortunately most women aren't like that. I've met plenty of loud trad girls...
Since this type of woman is all you seem to find, quit looking at the trad chapels. Don’t keep repeating your mistake and expecting a different result! Look elsewhere. In the meantime, get on with your life. There are lots of things you can best do as a single man. Look into some unusual occupations and try out those that interest you. Many jobs require lots of travel, or work of a hazardous nature. If such a man has to leave his wife and children for long stretches of time, it’s not good. If you do a dangerous job, how many wives are willing to be dragged, kids and all, around the world? It’s time you explored some other options and just got on with it. If God sends a wife, fine. If He doesn’t, that should be fine, too!
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I can't understand this obsession with finding a wife. Just work hard and make a ton of money and the ladies will find you.
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I can't understand this obsession with finding a wife. Just work hard and make a ton of money and the ladies will find you.
Well, if you feel that you're called to marriage, I can see why you would be focused on this question ... though we have far too little information to judge that it's an "obsession", especially since this is in the Anonymous forum.
I should think that the OP would be interested in finding a good Catholic wife, and not just any "ladies" who will swarm to money. In fact, if I were wealthy, I would not reveal the full extent of it precisely in order to prevent this. Even from a natural perspective, it leaves you wondering whether the woman actually loves you, is interested in your ... or was just interested in your money. Not a few wealthy men end up with "prostitute" wives, where they just do what they must to keep the money coming in, but then see other men that they actually like on the side.
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Well, if you feel that you're called to marriage, I can see why you would be focused on this question ... though we have far too little information to judge that it's an "obsession", especially since this is in the Anonymous forum.
I should think that the OP would be interested in finding a good Catholic wife, and not just any "ladies" who will swarm to money. In fact, if I were wealthy, I would not reveal the full extent of it precisely in order to prevent this. Even from a natural perspective, it leaves you wondering whether the woman actually loves you, is interested in your ... or was just interested in your money. Not a few wealthy men end up with "prostitute" wives, where they just do what they must to keep the money coming in, but then see other men that they actually like on the side.
The #1 thing that causes a lady to not consider a man a serious marriage prospect is his inability to provide properly for a family. This is not greed. It's prudence. And no serious trad priest would ever advise a young woman to knowingly marry a man who has no career aspirations or lazy work ethic. Serial GoFundMe's and panhandling on this forum is not a career.
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Serial GoFundMe's and panhandling on this forum is not a career.
Did I miss something? I haven't seen any gofundme links or anything that could be possibly interpreted as panhandling.
Except for Ladislaus, everyone else in this thread has been Anonymous.
And Ladislaus has zero public history of asking for anything, OR of being unemployed.
Are you, by chance, on drugs?
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Did I miss something? I haven't seen any gofundme links or anything that could be possibly interpreted as panhandling.
Except for Ladislaus, everyone else in this thread has been Anonymous.
And Ladislaus has zero public history of asking for anything, OR of being unemployed.
Are you, by chance, on drugs?
I wonder if the individual just misspoke. Yes, I set up a GiveAHand, but it was for Father Onuorah, the Resistance priest in Nigeria, and he got every dime of it ... though it did not amount to all that much, to be honest, and not only did I give Father more than what the GiveAHand took in, but I'm pretty sure that most of the donations came in by way of requests for Gregorian Masses.
Nor, of course, and I "in the market", as it were, to find a wife ... so I don't think that comment was directed at me, but just some stream of consciousness.
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Did I miss something? I haven't seen any gofundme links or anything that could be possibly interpreted as panhandling.
Except for Ladislaus, everyone else in this thread has been Anonymous.
And Ladislaus has zero public history of asking for anything, OR of being unemployed.
Are you, by chance, on drugs?
What I do think, though, is that she took great exception to my prior comment, protesting far too much ... where I suspect the poster might resemble the remarks I made. So many huge red flags in that post ... where I'm on the fence about whether I should point them out, on the one hand not wanting unnecessarily to cause offense, but on the other hand using it as a lesson to men who are actually looking for wives. I haven't quite decided yet whether to respond. I might find a way to do it obliquely, without quoting the post, but that would not be easy.
So, let's just point out what I've found to be THE single most common logical fallacy out there preventing clear thinking ... the false dichotomy. Where I said that a man should not flaunt his wealth in order to draw in a torrent of women, evidently I meant that a woman should not care at all about whether a man could provide financial security for the family, and just marry any man who has been flipping burgers for 10 years now. That's a defensive overreaction if ever there was one ... causing alarms and red flags to go off (in addition to several points, word choices, language, and tone in that post).
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Oh great Saint this is the average 'Catholic' women
>34
>"i'm a 8 out of 10"
also catholicmatch is trash
(https://i.imgur.com/Oul2UB8.png)
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Oh great Saint this is the average 'Catholic' women
>34
>"i'm a 8 out of 10"
also catholicmatch is trash
(https://i.imgur.com/Oul2UB8.png)
another one
>girl is 19
>is "conventionally unattractive" (ugly)
>men don't want me
>older men are interested
>ew not you
:facepalm:
(https://i.imgur.com/IE87BvM.png)
I am not making these posts to attack these women just pointing out the obvious problem that is everywhere even in Catholic circles. Even this ugly girl has men who are interesting in marrying her but because she is brainwashed she doesn't want them.
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another one
>girl is 19
>is "conventionally unattractive" (ugly)
>men don't want me
>older men are interested
>ew not you
:facepalm:
(https://i.imgur.com/IE87BvM.png)
I am not making these posts to attack these women just pointing out the obvious problem that is everywhere even in Catholic circles. Even this ugly girl has men who are interesting in marrying her but because she is brainwashed she doesn't want them.
"I don't mind going older but I'm afraid I won't have much in common with someone older than 25"
Ok I slightly retract my statement, she didn't say the older men were interested but is still brainwashed with the nonsense of "nothing in common". This is a meme, men and women have children in common, they have the faith in common, it's really amazing how people believe this garbage propaganda.
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This is actually so brutal, I feel bad for her.
(https://i.imgur.com/7urZJnS.png)
Ladies if you do not understand the issue with this women I will explain it to you, though I think the ALL the men on this forum can easily point it out.
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This is actually so brutal, I feel bad for her.
(https://i.imgur.com/7urZJnS.png)
Ladies if you do not understand the issue with this women I will explain it to you, though I think the ALL the men on this forum can easily point it out.
It SOUNDS reasonable (it always does!) but when you think about it more than 30 seconds, it all unravels.
1. "smart, handsome" -- she is looking for Chad who also happens to be a saint. How can she hope for a 10, when she is (objectively) a 3 or a 6? What awesome stuff does she bring to the table? She never mentioned anything about her skills, what she has to offer, etc. in her whole rant.
"I went on two dates with two different guys who are nice but not my type." - huge red flag. Again, it seems that she is fishing outside her league.
2. She blames her family for skipping over her -- that sure sounds mean and unfair. I'm sure there's another side to this story! Parents don't just treat one child like trash. I'm not buying it.
3. She wants to find a guy "at the finish line" rather than picking out a man with *potential* and then growing with him through a long married life. Yes, a man isn't going to drastically change. But waiting at the finish line is the BS way of going about it.
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Crazy thing is that I actually know a few resistance families where the daughters would be quite willing, but the parents keep them locked away basically, or do nothing to help them find someone. Taking total advantage of the fact that they are trusting homeschooled girls.
The autism of trads strikes agains.
And these girls are in their twenties!
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It SOUNDS reasonable (it always does!) but when you think about it more than 30 seconds, it all unravels.
1. "smart, handsome" -- she is looking for Chad who also happens to be a saint. How can she hope for a 10, when she is (objectively) a 3 or a 6? What awesome stuff does she bring to the table? She never mentioned anything about her skills, what she has to offer, etc. in her whole rant.
"I went on two dates with two different guys who are nice but not my type." - huge red flag. Again, it seems that she is fishing outside her league.
2. She blames her family for skipping over her -- that sure sounds mean and unfair. I'm sure there's another side to this story! Parents don't just treat one child like trash. I'm not buying it.
3. She wants to find a guy "at the finish line" rather than picking out a man with *potential* and then growing with him through a long married life. Yes, a man isn't going to drastically change. But waiting at the finish line is the BS way of going about it.
Let's see here
She is
>36 (very old and geriatric pregnancy)
>wants a handsome man
>nice guys but not handsome = no good
>"can't attract the type of men I WANT"
>looks down on men without certain education (papers with Jєωιѕн signatures on it and what about tradesmen?)
>doesn't understand the fixed awkward smile (parents don't have the heart to give her a reality check which is frankly WAY over due, 26 would have been quite late but shes 36!)
>She is still in school getting ANOTHER DEGREE (really makes you think what career she even has? worthless meme degrees?)
>gets told her standards are too high but can't accept it
>wants someone who is put together but she still lives with her parents at 36 while getting ANOTHER degree
If she was 16 and a virgin she her standards would not be considered high but reasonable since she would been young with potential to fix any personality/virtue issues, but she is 36 and has a bad attitude, with very high standards and refuses to acknowledge her own REAL value and not meme brainwashing feminism has told her.
Her problem is she is old with no real value of her self and little virtue and self reflection, not the type of women any well adjusted man would want to marry, that's why only overweight men and men with little faith (most likely not true but she is blinded by her pride). She would need to be humble, meek, slim and at least 10 yrs younger to find the type of man she wants.
Stuff like this is understood immediately by any decent man who is looking for a good wife, those men see her and 'just know' she isn't wife material.
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Crazy thing is that I actually know a few resistance families where the daughters would be quite willing, but the parents keep them locked away basically, or do nothing to help them find someone. Taking total advantage of the fact that they are trusting homeschooled girls.
The autism of trads strikes agains.
And these girls are in their twenties!
What sort of people are the parents like? Are they boomerish? I just don't understand how parents allow their daughters to age without seriously looking for a good husband for them. It just doesn't make sense. So they are smart enough to homeschool them, are blessed enough to be traditional Catholics and attend a resistance parish. Do they think prince charming is going to suddenly show up and ask them for their daughters hand in marriage? How can he if they are locked away at home? Women are not like men, their youth is much shorter and the ideal time for marriage younger than that of a man. Are these girls slim, feminine and virtuous? You say 20s but early mid or late because there is a big difference between a lovely 22 yr old and a less lovely 28 yr old. The clock is ticking.
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https://x.com/Devon_Eriksen_/status/2008604632403099728
An advanced degree and a robust career does not increase a woman's value to a man, as a relationship partner, because men aren't looking to be bankrolled, nor are women generally willing to financially support men.
The things men want out of a relationship are not meaningfully enhanced by her corporate middle management email job. In fact, that email job competes with him for her time.
But men are well aware that women THINK career success is attractive... because it's attractive to women.
And women, who are much more sympathetic than men, but much less empathetic, often have trouble understanding how men's brains and motivations are different.
So a woman with a high salary, impressive job title, or fancy degree will think she is more valuable in a relationship because of these things. And thus, her expectations will be higher, but what she has to offer in return will not. In fact, it will often be quite a bit less.
And, just as women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of relationships. A man calculates, with an intensive amount of thought and prediction, what his life will be like if he allows her to leave a toothbrush and some spare clothes in his apartment. There aren't spreadsheets involved, but there might as well be.
Finding out that a woman has a fancy degree, high status career whether it results in higher pay or not, or some other socially valued credential causes an abrupt shift in those calculations.
And since empathy is often something women struggle with, it can often be very difficult for them to interpret the sudden shift to total disinterest.
And "I am too attractive" is a more ego-flattering belief than "I am not a good relationship prospect".
Over the course of my life, in hanging out with smart and financially successful women, I've heard a fair number of them complain about not being able to find an acceptable and interested partner.
Invariably, the one thing every complainer had in common was that she was a lot better at talking than at listening. She was invariably willing to explain, at great length, what men were wrong about and didn't understand, but quite resistant to being told, however gently and diplomatically, about things she might not understand about men.
This is, of course, a self-inflicting selection bias. Women who know how to listen to men about what men want, and how men see the world, tend not to end up complaining about their string of failed relationships and general male disinterest.
Women who are good at empathy and care what men want have very little trouble finding men who like them and are willing to commit. Women who whine about how they intimidate men are, by definition, bad relationship partners, which men can easily spot.
After all, who wants a wife who doesn't understand him, doesn't listen when he tries to explain, and blames her shortcomings on him?
That's what this "I intimidate men" thing really is, and if you want to understand how disgusting men find it, imagine a man approaching you, propositioning you for sex, and then, when you reject him because he's a total stranger and hasn't done a thing to build excitement or trust, he accuses you of being a prude or a lesbian.
In other words, in a message brought to you by the Department of Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Obvious, people don't like it when you blame your unattractiveness on them.
Good post, the 36 yr old falls into this perfectly, now if only she was 20 yrs younger so you could take note and play her future accordingly.
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What sort of people are the parents like? Are they boomerish? I just don't understand how parents allow their daughters to age without seriously looking for a good husband for them. It just doesn't make sense. So they are smart enough to homeschool them, are blessed enough to be traditional Catholics and attend a resistance parish. Do they think prince charming is going to suddenly show up and ask them for their daughters hand in marriage? How can he if they are locked away at home? Women are not like men, their youth is much shorter and the ideal time for marriage younger than that of a man. Are these girls slim, feminine and virtuous? You say 20s but early mid or late because there is a big difference between a lovely 22 yr old and a less lovely 28 yr old. The clock is ticking.
Honestly, they do seem to think it will just happen. Like women don't need help from their fathers.
I think in most cases it is either the father is over protective, or just doesnt care enough. Too wimpish to bring it up as a subject in conversation maybe. There are ways to bring men to your household without being too obvious that you are setting your daughter up. Cos western women hate that.
And as to their ages, all ages. But the older ones I can see are getting desperate or starting to give up. Women all know this. 26-28 is decision time.
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26-28 is decision time.
My opinion: 17-21 should be decision time for a traditional Catholic woman in the US and abroad.
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My opinion: 17-21 should be decision time for a traditional Catholic woman in the US and abroad.
You're totally right. I do agree.
but I guess what I meant was that 28 is really the point of no return. When the propaganda maxes out and has completed its work.
After this point, almost without exception, a woman is totally ruined for marriage. The lies continue in society and even in tradition of course. Reducing a woman down to the mere act of having children, and paying no attention to her ABILITY to be a good mother. So people get away believing they can meet someone in their thirties. This delusion is furthered by the wimpy men who do go for them. But by her thirties a woman knows she is incapable of living in a subordinate relationship that is marriage. It is so, so far away from when she should have done it.
Thank you boomers, for destroying your daughters and leaving us with this mess.
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Spoke with a trad priest recently about why there are so few young marriages....family interference was the #1 problem. Meaning the parents thought the prospective groom or bride wasn't "good enough" or "Catholic enough" for their precious child. Most notably was a pre-occupation with whether or not the prospective groom was a "pedophile".
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Spoke with a trad priest recently about why there are so few young marriages....family interference was the #1 problem. Meaning the parents thought the prospective groom or bride wasn't "good enough" or "Catholic enough" for their precious child. Most notably was a pre-occupation with whether or not the prospective groom was a "pedophile".
Bingo.You hit on a really crucial point here.
Talking even within the resistance, there is a HUGE gulf of opinion between the opinion of priests and parents on this issue. The priests know Catholic history, teaching, etc. etc. They are the ones who do marriage prep after all. Almost ALL of them have no issues with age gaps.
The parents however are the opposite. I have struggled to meet parents within the resistance who are ok with it. Even when they are, then the next issue is whether their daughters are ok with it. Usually once they have cellphones, they're toast anyway. But hey, me even saying that, is being a "predator" right?
One resistance priest described this as worldliness to me. He's totally right.
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Bingo.You hit on a really crucial point here.
Talking even within the resistance, there is a HUGE gulf of opinion between the opinion of priests and parents on this issue. The priests know Catholic history, teaching, etc. etc. They are the ones who do marriage prep after all. Almost ALL of them have no issues with age gaps.
The parents however are the opposite. I have struggled to meet parents within the resistance who are ok with it. Even when they are, then the next issue is whether their daughters are ok with it. Usually once they have cellphones, they're toast anyway. But hey, me even saying that, is being a "predator" right?
One resistance priest described this as worldliness to me. He's totally right.
This fallacy that you must be close in age is indeed based on worldliness. These girls want a "best friend" who is an equal, not a superior who will instruct and guide them. A husband closer in age is more easily controlled and manipulated. And that is better for an interfering family as well. A mature older gentleman isn't going to let the MIL call the shots.
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You're totally right. I do agree.
but I guess what I meant was that 28 is really the point of no return. When the propaganda maxes out and has completed its work.
After this point, almost without exception, a woman is totally ruined for marriage. The lies continue in society and even in tradition of course. Reducing a woman down to the mere act of having children, and paying no attention to her ABILITY to be a good mother. So people get away believing they can meet someone in their thirties. This delusion is furthered by the wimpy men who do go for them. But by her thirties a woman knows she is incapable of living in a subordinate relationship that is marriage. It is so, so far away from when she should have done it.
Thank you boomers, for destroying your daughters and leaving us with this mess.
Eh i don't think it's completely impossible for trad Catholic women to be good mothers if they marry very late. Secular women on the other hand...
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On the contrary it is even harder for trad women.
Lol have you not met them?
Humility would not exactly be their strong point.
A secular girl, properly converted appreciates what she has.
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I know a man, early 30s, good career, not fat and somewhat fit, hair line is fading away, has a small unit with a home loan. He is resorting to going to other states to find a lady. The ones at our chapel simply aren't up to par or don't want him.
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Going outside of state is the least a man should do. travelling abroad is often necessary.
Women are more easily influenced by the man when she is away from her family. And younger.
I literally had my secular, Godless neighbor today tell me that a man marrying younger means he can have more influence on her. Even the pagans are seeing what's wrong with modern women. It's not just us.
Whatever a man needs to do to get a woman who can be as compliant as possible, and therefore fulfill her vocation to be obedient, then he should do that. Disobedience is the poison of our age.
Call that manipulative all you want trad feminists, I call it a man wanting peace.
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I literally had my secular, Godless neighbor today tell me that a man marrying younger means he can have more influence on her. Even the pagans are seeing what's wrong with modern women. It's not just us.
Secular people think that's a bad thing.
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Going outside of state is the least a man should do. travelling abroad is often necessary.
Definitely. One cannot limit themselves to just their local chapel, however large or small it is. Travelling and going to things like pilgrimages have all these other benefits as well as the very real possibility of meeting your a wife. Even if nothing comes of it immediately, you're still putting yourself where good things are more likely to happen