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Re: Chrysostom on finding a wife...
« Reply #215 on: Yesterday at 10:29:58 AM »
False.  There are no obstacles to grace which humans can construct, which stops God from enlightening a person with good will.  The supernatural transcends the natural, all day, everyday.
What are you talking about? I never said anything about obstacles to grace.  I said that we are starting with a sinful society that is full of relativism and modernism and we don't know what it looks like to not have those things all around us.  We are starting with more to overcome.  Yes all the graces you need are there to overcome it, but instead of starting with a proper Catholic education and world we are starting with the worst case scenario.  We need more patience to help each other, not less.

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« Reply #216 on: Yesterday at 10:35:11 AM »
What are you talking about? I never said anything about obstacles to grace.  I said that we are starting with a sinful society that is full of relativism and modernism and we don't know what it looks like to not have those things all around us.  We are starting with more to overcome.  Yes all the graces you need are there to overcome it, but instead of starting with a proper Catholic education and world we are starting with the worst case scenario.  We need more patience to help each other, not less.
Where sin abounds, grace abounds more.

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And unfortunately all the women born after 1950 or maybe earlier have a harder time.  Modern women don't have very many real world examples and many of us learn by experiences and practical application, not just by reading a book.
To overcome natural reactions, the solution is the supernatural.  

World life examples, learning by experience, practical, blah, blah, blah ... this is all human solutions to supernatural problems.  Will never work.

What works is grace, which is had by prayer.  That's the solution.  

There is no easy vs hard circuмstances, there is only more or less prayer.


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« Reply #217 on: Yesterday at 10:56:15 AM »
Where sin abounds, grace abounds more.
To overcome natural reactions, the solution is the supernatural. 

World life examples, learning by experience, practical, blah, blah, blah ... this is all human solutions to supernatural problems.  Will never work.

What works is grace, which is had by prayer.  That's the solution. 

There is no easy vs hard circuмstances, there is only more or less prayer.
But we have less prayer, because we have less Catholics.  We have less Masses. We have less Religious.  So we have to have people striving harder to become saints.  And sainthood begins with conquering ourself, not conquering our neighbor.  And sainthood requires us knowing our own vices.  We have to figure that out and admit them to ourself.  

There is a big Spiritual war coming and most Catholics are not ready.  

I guess I just worry too much about others and I should just be selfish and worry only about myself. (I am not sure this is the answer.)

My posts help some, my posts make others mad, some don't care about my posts.  How do I find the proper balance?

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« Reply #218 on: Yesterday at 11:04:31 AM »
Excellent posts from Maria all around

In my worthless opinion, a welcome addition to CI!
What a simp.

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« Reply #219 on: Yesterday at 11:10:21 AM »
More evidence of a worldly infection. No, that's the тαℓмυdic notion of "bashert" that your one-and-only alleged soulmate is assigned to you before you're even born. Too, the classical pagan myth of the tragically divided androgyne, as described by Aristophenes. ("Explain!" she pouts. Sorry, don't expect spoonfed Cliff Notes, research it yourself, you can do it.)

Don't forget about God's permissive will, unquestioning belief in which is the trait of genuine Catholics, not of heretics or the lukewarm. Sometimes God allows us to suffer a difficult spouse as a thorn in our side, as a cross to carry, in order to purify us. Why might might not ever be understandable in this mortal life, but we accept it no less. Ask your husband.
Again why go off on this tangent.  I did not saying anything about finding your soulmate.  You added that.

And maybe an obstinate women on the internet is a cross for someone.  Not every single person here thinks I am obstinate.

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I am sorry for misunderstanding.

The dynamics? 

The best dynamic is praying and trusting God.  Every single couple story is different from everyone else's.  The only common denominator in successful Catholic marriages is that the man and woman trusted God to find their match.

Oh I see.  You took match to mean one and only. I meant it as just who you marry.  I am sorry for the misunderstanding.