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    A Gay Catholic Priest Reflects On His First Pride!


    Gary M Meier,
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    Psychotherapist, Author, Priest, LGBT Advocate, www.FatherGary.com


    06/23/2017 01:09 PM ET





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    If I had to sum up my first pride experience in two words they would be: loud and proud. It was an amazing experience to witness, tens of thousands of gays and lesbians and their supporters being precisely that. Having lived for more than thirteen years in a hierarchical atmosphere of silence and shame, it was liberating to be loud and proud – albeit only for a moment and in another city to avoid being recognized.
    There has always been a part of me that has wanted to attend a Pride Fest, but to be honest, there’s also been a part of me that hasn’t. Before attending, like so many others, my only impression of Pride Fest had been from reports on the news. These reports always seemed to depict the pride parade in a way that seemed weird, crazy and far out. Images of cross dressers, dykes, transvestites, and men wearing hardly anything fill the airwaves in a thirty second television blast. Pride has always been portrayed as something radical and controversial, something best to avoid, particularly given my identity as a Catholic priest. After all, Catholics are not allowed to “promote the gay agenda.” While it could certainly be argued that merely attending a Pride Fest is not supporting the gay agenda per say, a news clip of a Catholic priest watching the parade go by (and cheering) would be controversial to say the least. To avoid the controversy and to remain a priest, I had never attended a Pride Fest, until then. This year was different; this year I wanted to see for myself, and in some small way, participate in the movement. With that goal in mind, a friend of mine and I attended Gay Pride in New York City.
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    The day before the main event, my friend and I were walking down 6th Avenue when we noticed what appeared to be a parade of some sort, so we decided to investigate. When we got close enough to see what was happening, we discovered it was a “Dyke Parade.” There were thousands of lesbian women marching down the streets of New York chanting and celebrating. There were also lots of supporters lining the streets passing out literature. I stopped one of them to ask if she knew when the main Pride parade was going to be and where. She briefly gave me the information and told me to enjoy myself. And then I said, “I will, but I’m a little bit nervous, I’ve never been to a Pride Fest before.”


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    “Oh, my gosh,” she said, “you’ll love it. It’s such a celebration of diversity and unity.There’s nothing to be nervous about, just enjoy it.” 
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    Her enthusiastic description of Pride Fest as a celebration of diversity and unity really struck me. I couldn’t help but think that when we as a Church are at our best, we too are a celebration of diversity in unity. When we as a Church are living the Gospel message, we celebrate diversity and unity. Her description of Pride Fest echoes so much of what the apostle Paul writes about in the scriptures, that “We are all one body, though we have many parts.” Shouldn’t we describe the Church in the same way? As a celebration of diversity and unity?
    The next day at the parade, I was surprised and pleased to see that the overwhelming majority of those attending the event were ‘normal.’ Having nothing but the images from the news media to go off of, my assumption and fear was that I would stand out, that everyone would be radically dressed or wearing nothing at all. That was not the reality. Don’t get me wrong, there were plenty of wild and crazy outfits, but the overwhelming majority of those in attendance and in the parade were ‘normal.’ They were ordinary people belonging to ordinary groups like the firefighters, police, lawyers, volleyball teams, religious organizations, etc.; almost every conceivable group was represented. They’re the person next door. They’re the person you pass on the street every day. I can remember an overwhelming feeling of normalization as the day went by. It was liberating and refreshing to be in an environment that treats homosexuality not as a disorder but as normal, healthy and even sacred. It was indeed a celebration of unity and diversity, and for me personally, it was very freeing to move from an environment of silence and shame to loud and proud – if only for a day.
    Several years following my first Pride and on the eve of my 15th year anniversary to the priesthood in 2013 – I published a book, “Hidden Voices, Reflections of a Gay Catholic Priest.” As my story went viral on the internet, I began to hear from individuals all over the world who were struggling to find acceptance and love within the Catholic church. It is a struggle that continues today for so many – especially when some bishops continue to marginalize LGBTQ Catholics by denying them basic pastoral care and dignity.
    Today, I live and work in NYC as a Psychotherapist and this weekend I will celebrate Pride in NYC openly and honestly which will include celebrating mass with a group called Dignity New York and other LGBTQ Catholics and their allies. Pride is more important today than ever before, especially for those who are told they are ‘less than’ by their church leaders because of who they love. Like so many LGBTQ Catholics and others, Pride Fest becomes a place where LGBTQ individuals can experience the very thing their church leaders are unwilling to give – a place to celebrate unity and diversity.  [/color]
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  • “Pride” Priest offers retreat for LGBT Catholics in NYC
    (Pictured above: Fr. Michael Carnevale OFM at St. Francis of Assisi Church in New York City.)

    On December 3, 2016, Fr. Michael Carnevale OFM will offer an “all-day retreat for LGBT & allies hosted by the unconditionally loving LGBT ministry” of the Church of St. Francis of Assisi in New York City; the parish is staffed by the Order of Friars Minor. The Parish web-site includes the following description for the Gay and Lesbian Ministry at St. Francis:

    We are the Church of St. Francis of Assisi LGBT Ministry, inspired to action by the charism of St. Francis of Assisi, to welcome, worship, and witness. By welcoming, celebrating and engaging, we are an example to our Catholic Community in fostering an inclusive environment. We fulfill our mission by sponsoring spiritual events, educational and social activities and outreach for members of our community and to people in the greater community within the Archdiocese of New York.

    In addition, the Parish offers a “Pre-Pride” Mass for those attending the annual Gay Pride Parade in New York City. Such events at the Parish, including the accompanying literature from their Gay Ministry, is usually awash in rainbow colors and the “rainbow flag. Pictured holding the “rainbow flag” during the 2016 “Pride” festivities, Carnevale, the parochial vicar at the Parish, is a frequent participant in the Ministry and offers a regular discussion with his “Musing with Father Michael” series. One talk with Carnevale was described as “a deep and honest discussion about scripture through an LGBT lens.”

    At St. Francis, the Director of the LGBT Ministry is currently listed as Meredith Augustin; she is also the Director of Music Ministries and has been a frequent contributor to the LA Religious Education Congress and wrote the 2016 LA Congress theme song. In the May 8, 2016 edition of the Parish Bulletin, Augustin was listed as the contact liaison for the LGBT ministry.

    On February 17, 2016, the St. Francis ministry sponsored the theology-on-tap event “Drink Pray Love – Can I Be Queer & Catholic?” which was held at the Stonewall Inn. One of the speaker participants was a young man named Jake Elvig; in response to the legalization of gay marriage on June 26, 2015, he sent the following Tweet:

    I wish you could all see me now. Dancing in my underwear to Lady Gaga and crying. I am so happy. So full of love today! #LoveWins

    On that same day, Augustin reposted to Facebook a rainbow colored graphic (Love is Love) from the St. Francis Gay Ministry which included the message: “yay…this day is ever so amazing.” Following the 2015 “Pre-Pride” Mass, Augustin thanked Carnevale via Facebook, as well as “gay” Catholic Arthur Fitzmaurice; along with the pro-same-sex marriage hashtag #lovewins. Fitzmaurice, a frequent speaker at the LA Congress, has repeatedly asked for revisions concerning the Church’s teaching on homosexuality, describing certain language contained in the Catechism as “gravely evil.”

    Just this year, Augustin posted an article about a “gay” Catholic who was fired from his job as Music Director at his parish, after it was revealed that he married his same-sex partner; formerly, he was a cantor at St. Francis; her response to the story was:

    “Heartbreaking that he and many others are treated in such a hurtful way by what proves to be a very judgmental church.”

    Another member of the St. Francis “Pastoral Staff” is Joseph Nuzzi who has served as “Director of Evangelization” since 2007; on June 17, 2016, he updated his Facebook cover photo to the “rainbow flag.”

    The Friars Minor offer similar “Ministries” at parishes in Raleigh, Boston, and Hartford. Recently, at the Open Hearts GLBT Support group at Saint Patrick – Saint Anthony Catholic Church in Hartford the selection for the book discussion group was John J. McNeill’s “Taking a Chance on God;” in that book the openly-gay former priest McNeill stated: “In all cultures and in every period of history, a certain percentage of men and women develop as gays and lesbians. These individuals could be considered as part of God’s creative plan. Their sexual orientation has no necessary connection with sin, sickness, or failure; rather, it is a gift from God to be accepted and lived out with gratitude. God does not despise anything that God has created.”

    Other Catholic LGBT ministries in the New York Archdiocese:

    In Manhattan, on June 23, 2016, the “gay” and lesbian ministry, Out at St. Paul, from The Church of St. Paul the Apostle celebrated a sidewalk Mass during the New York City “Pride” festivities; the small outdoor altar was covered in the “rainbow flag.”

    Only, this is not the parish’s first foray into gay Catholic outreach; in 2015, Out at St. Paul, in cooperation with The Church of St. Paul the Apostle, “Mother Church of the Paulist Fathers,” released the short documentary film “Owning Our Faith.” The film features testimonies with several men and women who disagree with various aspects of the Church’s teachings on homosexuality; they include: a self-professed Catholic lesbian, a “married” gay male couple, and a transsexual. One of the men interviewed said: “If we leave it, if we abandon the Church then it’s never going to change.”

    At St. Francis de Sales Parish, the LGBTQS Gay Straight Catholic Alliance also participates in the New York City Gay Pride Parade. The reaction of the St Francis de Sales Gay Straight Alliance to the legalization of same-sex marriage was: “How PHENOMENAL! A day filled with love to more days filled with love.”

    On November 21, 2016, The Church of the Ascension, home of Ascension Gay Fellowship, sponsored a reading of the play “Full of Grace;” here are a few lines:

    “I came in and confessed that I was in a gay relationship. I didn’t know what the priest would say, and I was afraid he was going to tell me I was going to rot in hell. Instead he said, David, it doesn’t matter to God who you love, it matters to Him that you love. That moment changed my entire understanding of myself, my love, and my God.”

    The Church of the Ascension also offered an “LGBT Pride Celebration Mass” during 2016 “Pride Week.”

    Fr. Michael K. Holleran, a Catholic priest, Sensei (Zen Teacher) and a former Carthusian Monk, is Parochial Vicar at the Church of Notre Dame. During a 2014 talk on “Gay Spirituality,” he said: “I don’t care what people say, I think Gay Pride Parade is wonderful; all those people dancing around with not many cloths on…it’s beautiful.”

    Concerning the New York City Gay Pride Parade, in his Introduction to Fr. John Harvey’s book “The Truth About Homosexuality” (1996), Fr. Benedict Groeschel, C.F.R. made these observations:

    I recently viewed the Gay Pride Parade during a prayer vigil alongside St. Patrick’s Cathedral and saw an incredible display of self-defeating and self-deprecating behavior…when one considers the ruin of human lives, the persistent spread of AIDS by promiscuous sexual activity, and the psychological conflict one observes in the gay scene, the haunting question comes, “Can I approve of behavior that so frequently leads to destruction?” This question is sidestepped in an effort to be politically correct, but it still remains, and the hoopla of parades and demonstrations does not make it go away.

    For those “gay” celebrating Catholics, Fr. Groeschel offered the following admonitions:

    “There are many serious objections to this kind of compassion based on pragmatism and relativism…The most obvious (but not the most fundamental) objection is that such thinking precludes the possibility of moral conversion and true Christian discipleship. Apart from the radical denial of truth, such thinking leaves the person lost in a swamp without a map. It is a most dangerous compassion. Once, a young man who had given up the fight to live chastely and had decided to have a live-in homosexual relationship made two requests of me. He said, “Don’t reject me, and don’t agree with me. If you agree with me I will never get out of this.”


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  • He was apparently ordained in 1966. Very likely still a true priest.

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    You crack me up, Poche!
     
    Too good to be true.... Must be more to this... Hmmmm!
    Can you give a source for this?

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    Isn't that the one where Francis was upset at the priest because he was caught studying Latin and praying the Rosary?
    I don't have a link right at hand but I placed a link when I posted it some years ago. I thought there was a contrast because Pope Benedict gave several warnings and 'times for reflection' before he punished Fr Bourgois for his part in the 'ordination' of a woman. Pope Francis acted quickly and without any nonsense with what he did in that case. 


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    It really doesn't matter if Rome won't approve of women's ordination.
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    All a girl has to do is become a man via sex reassignment surgery, and then go to seminary and get ordained. Simple.
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    Probably okay with poche, too, after the bishop (legitimately established, SC 22.2) approves of it.
    NO, 'sex reassignment' surgery will not work. When they apply to the seminary one of the documents to be provided will be a baptismal certificate.   

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  • Like every other Religious Liberal that I have any contacts with in the last 60 years, they have a tendency of denying reality.
    This is the problem with Poche.   I bet that the area Poche lives in there are plenty of Gays and Lesbians activities
    including parades. There is a very few areas in the country and the world that you can escape this. This is being promoted
    by the governments, the media, the military, academia and the schools.  
    Instead of examining their own political liberalism that it is a dangerous error, they only want to see what they
    believe is the good side while ignoring the evil effects. So many Catholic clergy and laity have in lockstep with
    the evils of Liberalism that is destroying the Family unit,Catholic morality and causing the lost of Souls.
    They close their eyes and refuse and ignore the realities where we are heading too. Liberals like Poche will
    be held responsible by God along with the deliberate sinners that caused these grave evils.

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  • Like every other Religious Liberal that I have any contacts with in the last 60 years, they have a tendency of denying reality.
    This is the problem with Poche.   I bet that the area Poche lives in there are plenty of Gays and Lesbians activities
    including parades. There is a very few areas in the country and the world that you can escape this. This is being promoted
    by the governments, the media, the military, academia and the schools.  
    Instead of examining their own political liberalism that it is a dangerous error, they only want to see what they
    believe is the good side while ignoring the evil effects. So many Catholic clergy and laity have in lockstep with
    the evils of Liberalism that is destroying the Family unit,Catholic morality and causing the lost of Souls.
    They close their eyes and refuse and ignore the realities where we are heading too. Liberals like Poche will
    be held responsible by God along with the deliberate sinners that caused these grave evils.
    You are right. Where I live there many gays and lesbians. They have parades and other activities. I don't know a lot about them because that is not where I hang out. I don't know of any Catholic priest where I live who have participated in those parades.


     

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