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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2017, 05:42:48 PM »
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    Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.


    Where do you live?

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    « Reply #16 on: February 05, 2017, 02:29:31 PM »
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    Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.


    Where do you live?


    I've noticed this attitude on many forums (I'm talking about the first post).  People complain that they can't get to a traditional Mass for some reason (in this case, it's physical disability along with financial problems) and simply want traditional Catholic to salve their consciences about going to the Novus Ordo (which, apparently, doesn't have the same physical and financial constraints as the traditional Mass).

    Yet, these people will simply not provide any location information which could result in another forum member realizing that he might be able to help.

    I've come to disbelieve in the good faith of such posters.


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    « Reply #17 on: February 06, 2017, 12:14:10 AM »
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    Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.


    Where do you live?


    I've noticed this attitude on many forums (I'm talking about the first post).  People complain that they can't get to a traditional Mass for some reason (in this case, it's physical disability along with financial problems) and simply want traditional Catholic to salve their consciences about going to the Novus Ordo (which, apparently, doesn't have the same physical and financial constraints as the traditional Mass).

    Yet, these people will simply not provide any location information which could result in another forum member realizing that he might be able to help.

    I've come to disbelieve in the good faith of such posters.


    I think you should give the OP the benefit of a doubt.

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    cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #18 on: February 06, 2017, 01:18:19 AM »
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  • The OP is quite satisfied with the NO. Claims not to able to get to a true Mass but says she does not know where her nearest is. That doesn't add up.

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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #19 on: August 13, 2018, 12:07:17 AM »
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  • It's a good question. I used to attend the Novus Ordo daily, until about 2007. I had some very disturbing experiences: nearly topless singing leaders at the pulpit, horrible chattering in the church after Mass, commands to practice the songs instead of silently praying before Mass, and Confessions where the priest told me that my mortal sins were not sins. The traditional Mass is a relief, but are we obliged to submit to the torture of the new Mass if we can't get to a traditional Mass on a Sunday? I still wonder.


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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #20 on: August 13, 2018, 04:33:23 AM »
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  • It's a good question. I used to attend the Novus Ordo daily, until about 2007. I had some very disturbing experiences: nearly topless singing leaders at the pulpit, horrible chattering in the church after Mass, commands to practice the songs instead of silently praying before Mass, and Confessions where the priest told me that my mortal sins were not sins. The traditional Mass is a relief, but are we obliged to submit to the torture of the new Mass if we can't get to a traditional Mass on a Sunday? I still wonder.
    I would make a distinction between inappropriate clothing worn by song leaders, bad behavior by the other people before and after mass, bad confessors and the TLM itself. You could find other problems waiting for you also. There is the devil you know and the devil waiting around the corner to come grab you. If the OP is really unable to get to the TLM then I think it is best to focus on who it is that we come to visit. Jesus told St Teresa of Avila that his special love for her made him pass through the hands of a very evil priest just so that he could be with her in Holy Communion. Who knows, it could be your worthy reception of Holy Communion that could bring peace to an unsettled world.   

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    « Reply #21 on: August 13, 2018, 08:44:20 AM »
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    The traditional Mass is a relief, but are we obliged to submit to the torture of the new Mass if we can't get to a traditional Mass on a Sunday? I still wonder.
    The Holy Mass is the ultimate and perfect prayer.  If it is not said perfectly and if the liturgy is full of sacrileges (what new-rome falsely calls "abuses"), you shouldn't go.

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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #22 on: August 13, 2018, 11:09:06 AM »
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  • The New Mass is a danger to your faith. The proof is the huge apostasy that has taken place since Vatican II.

    Go look at the statistics for the Catholic Church over the past 80 years. You see a sharp turn downhill right at Vatican II. If they doesn't convince you that there's a "Crisis in the Church" necessitating participation in the Traditional Movement, then nothing will.

    So-called "Catholics" don't even know their faith anymore. With a few rare exceptions, they don't practice any Catholic customs (scapular, indulgences, litanies, daily Rosary, Confession, fasting, abstaining, etc.), they are ignorant about the Faith, they practice contraception, they go along with liberal agendas (anti-death penalty, pro-open-borders-immigration, environmentalism, tolerance for sodomites, etc.) while being complacent about contraception and abortion. NOT acceptable for someone claiming to be Catholic.

    The list of anecdotes could fill a volume of encyclopedias. Just recently a distant relative took her slightly older sister out to lunch on Good Friday. They stopped at Bill Miller Bar-B-Q thinking they had fish (they didn't -- they should have known better, since they were born in this area). Then they just ordered chicken, after the sister said, "Oh well, I'm over 65 anyhow." Problem 1: That doesn't excuse from abstaining; just from fasting. Problem 2: That would go for those over 65, not the distant relative who was several years younger.

    So just in this one case, you have 2 Novus Ordo Catholics, taking that "twice a year fasting/abstaining" and easily converting it into "never". No mortification, no fasting. They completely fit in with the modern world, which is all about enjoying life (including Bar-B-Q) and has no use for sacrifice, mortification, and fasting (unless it's for health reasons, or to loose weight to get a great Bod -- then the World makes an exception! Hedonism can use that, after all...)

    Just think of all the environmentalists, animal rights activists, etc. who do without meat or fast ALL THE TIME because they happen to be somewhere that doesn't offer vegan options? And now Catholics can't even fast twice a year. Pathetic!

    When something is reduced to twice a year, it's almost impossible NOT to end up rounding-down to 0 (never). Whether it's going to confession, going to Mass, fasting, exercising, or anything else. When you don't have the habit, you're not magically going to drum up the habit every 3 months or something. No, once something feels like "never" it's going to stay perfectly "never" indefinitely.  It's a big deal at that point. Something fun like a vacation or a birthday party, THAT you can do just once a year -- you're not going to skip out on fun, even if it is a big deal for you. A once-a-year birthday party is a big deal, but you happily go through that because it's fun. Fasting or going to confession? Not so much.

    Just for starters, if you never fast or abstain, you're not going to know how to do it. You'll have no meatless dishes in your repertoire, you won't be used to eating anything meatless, etc.

    That's why good habits (prayer, confession, exercise, study, work, etc.) must be learned, and early.
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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #23 on: August 13, 2018, 04:25:38 PM »
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  • Generally speaking, the n.o. is to be avoided entirely.  There MIGHT be a very few exceptions, like an old person at a very conservative parish, someone who truly knows his faith, is sure the priest was validly ordained...MAYBE...
    Certainly do not take children, do not go if there are altar girls, lady eucharistic ministers, rock music, liturgical dancers, anything in favor of sexual perversion...
    Better to have a Holy Hour alone, maybe listen to an on-line sermon by a traditional priest, even if you have to wait a few days for Sunday's sermon to be posted.
    This is what I do.  I get to actual Mass only once or twice a year.  I tried to find a conservative novus ordo, but gave it up as I couldn't stand the irreverence, not even to sit in back and read the traditional missal.  I usually go off by myself to a nearby park or sit in the car for Holy Hour.  Nobody's interested in joining me plus I have to do it either very early or late because of family duties during the day.  If Holy Days of obligation fall during the week, I do the same thing, except not for an hour.  I work 12-14 hour days, can't get off, so it's usually a Holy Half-hour.  Admittedly not ideal, but the SSPX banished me in 2014 and they're the only traditional venue around.  
    Duties and my own age and health restrict my ability to get to a resistance Mass.  I have to have a four day weekend free plus money to rent a car and stay in motels.  

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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #24 on: August 13, 2018, 06:06:32 PM »
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  • people were moaning about people who can't get to a latin mass earlier in the thread.

    I find it difficult


    I live in Surrey England - have no car and trains don't always run on sundays.

    There - keep moaning all you like, good luck finding me a mass close by.

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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #25 on: August 13, 2018, 07:14:01 PM »
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  • people were moaning about people who can't get to a latin mass earlier in the thread.

    I find it difficult


    I live in Surrey England - have no car and trains don't always run on sundays.

    There - keep moaning all you like, good luck finding me a mass close by.
    Don't get mad.  Try the previous suggestion, and go to the n.o. if you've prayed and to the best of your judgment, are okay.


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    « Reply #26 on: August 13, 2018, 07:37:37 PM »
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  • I live in Surrey England - have no car and trains don't always run on sundays.
    There is apparently a SSPX center at Sandy Lane, Maybury, GU22 8BA
    https://fsspx.uk/en/community/priories

    If you were open to a latin Mass in a NO church, this one says it has a "traditional Mass".
    http://www.stjoanofarcfarnham.co.uk

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    Re: cant get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
    « Reply #27 on: August 13, 2018, 10:11:02 PM »
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  • There is apparently a SSPX center at Sandy Lane, Maybury, GU22 8BA
    https://fsspx.uk/en/community/priories

    If you were open to a latin Mass in a NO church, this one says it has a "traditional Mass".
    http://www.stjoanofarcfarnham.co.uk



    thanks for the tip, but these are MILES out, i've never been to these places or heard of these places, like I said, I would need to get a train and the trains don't always run on sundays due to engineer works. The closest ones I get to are in central London.

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    « Reply #28 on: August 14, 2018, 12:39:09 PM »
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  • Check out the eastern rite Catholic Churches in your area.  They have validly ordained priests and do not use the Novus Ordo.

     

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