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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
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What makes you think that you know what Jesus would or would not do?
Is the OP's view presumptuous?
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Why on earth do you think Jesus abandoned us? Rather, it was we who abandoned Him!
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Chapter 12 of Daniel! Tells it all.
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My advice is to stay away from the Novus Ordo.
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
Of course you can get to a traditional mass...about a hundred years Ford starting mass producing cheap cars for the average citizen, the act of using a car, is called driving. You drive to a traditional mass, if it takes 1 hour, you must go every sunday, if it take 3 hours, try and go every 3-5 weeks, if it is 6 hours, maybe go quarterly (3 months). And on the sundays you don't drive to Mass, stay home and pray 15 decades and/or read the missal.
It's very simple, no Jesus has not abandoned us, the people of the world abandoned him. And the going to a Mass does not make one a Catholic. Holding the Catholic faith whole and inviolate does. Many rural communities in the early middle ages only got Mass once every few months. In Japan they had no sacraments for centuries! Catholics in newly protestantized countries could not go to mass for fear of serious punishment or even death; but they were still Catholic, because they did NOT go to the protestant service. So if you wish to remain Catholic do not go to the novus ordo or latin novus ordo, but only to the latin mass, or a non-modernized eastern Catholic Mass.
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
No.
There was a time when many could not get to the True Mass because it was taken away from them, it was gone, there was none to be found where they used to abound.
Many of us remained faithful and did not compromise our faith by attending the sacrilegious mockery of Calvary - while imagining if that's all there is then it's ok.
We prayed, read the Mass from the missal best as we could as we searched high and low, here and there, many, many wasted trips and travels looking for it and still we could not find it. We had only one choice while we were looking - to wait. Going to the new jazz was never a choice, was never even a consideration and never can be a choice.
It wasn't a very long trial, maybe a few years give or take, but we must have passed it because God sent us to the Holy Sacrifice being celebrated, hidden away in the basement of a house of all places! This is where the enemy had driven it and the compromisers had sent it. We hadn't thought to look there because until then, we did not know the extent of the crisis until God showed us where to find the Holy Sacrifice and in so doing, He showed us where it wasn't.
The new "mass" is not the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary, but if that's all you have, you might need to do the same thing we had to do - remain faithful and don't compromise - let our heavenly Father, in His own good time after he sees where your heart is, send you where you need to go.
Be assured that He will never send you to the service that mocks the eternal Sacrifice of Calvary, if you think you are inspired to go to the NO, then know those inspirations are not from God.
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It's very simple, no Jesus has not abandoned us, the people of the world abandoned him. And the going to a Mass does not make one a Catholic. Holding the Catholic faith whole and inviolate does. Many rural communities in the early middle ages only got Mass once every few months. In Japan they had no sacraments for centuries! Catholics in newly protestantized countries could not go to mass for fear of serious punishment or even death; but they were still Catholic, because they did NOT go to the protestant service. So if you wish to remain Catholic do not go to the novus ordo or latin novus ordo, but only to the latin mass, or a non-modernized eastern Catholic Mass.
i always feel better after NO Mass, even though there are seroius problems in the parish. I dont appreciate people telling me to give up the Mass when they don't know one thing about my personal life and what issues i am faced w/ etc.. that is presumptuous. I don't even know where a trad mass is in my area, much less do i have the resources to travel that far
I g uess all poor people who live too far away from the trad Mass are on their way to Hell?
what kind of God do you believe in?[/size]
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
You need to keep in mind that Scripture warns that few will be saved, and that few will have the faith when Jesus returns. In addition, St. Athanasius confirms that no matter how small of a group those faithful to tradition become, they are the true Catholics. So this certainly points away from the Novus ordo. Here are some quotes:
"How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!" Matt 7:14
"But yet the Son of man, when He cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?" Luke 18:8
"Even if Catholics faithful to tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the True Church of Jesus Christ." St. Athanasius
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
Of course you can get to a traditional mass...about a hundred years Ford starting mass producing cheap cars for the average citizen, the act of using a car, is called driving. You drive to a traditional mass, if it takes 1 hour, you must go every sunday, if it take 3 hours, try and go every 3-5 weeks, if it is 6 hours, maybe go quarterly (3 months). And on the sundays you don't drive to Mass, stay home and pray 15 decades and/or read the missal.
It's very simple, no Jesus has not abandoned us, the people of the world abandoned him. And the going to a Mass does not make one a Catholic. Holding the Catholic faith whole and inviolate does. Many rural communities in the early middle ages only got Mass once every few months. In Japan they had no sacraments for centuries! Catholics in newly protestantized countries could not go to mass for fear of serious punishment or even death; but they were still Catholic, because they did NOT go to the protestant service. So if you wish to remain Catholic do not go to the novus ordo or latin novus ordo, but only to the latin mass, or a non-modernized eastern Catholic Mass.
I couldn't possibly have said it any better. Great post! :applause:
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I don't even know where a trad mass is in my area, much less do i have the resources to travel that far
What you say does not make sense. If you don't know where a true Mass is, then how do you know how far it is? Have you ever enquired? Say your area and someone here will assist you if possible.
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
Of course you can get to a traditional mass...about a hundred years Ford starting mass producing cheap cars for the average citizen, the act of using a car, is called driving. You drive to a traditional mass, if it takes 1 hour, you must go every sunday, if it take 3 hours, try and go every 3-5 weeks, if it is 6 hours, maybe go quarterly (3 months). And on the sundays you don't drive to Mass, stay home and pray 15 decades and/or read the missal.
It's very simple, no Jesus has not abandoned us, the people of the world abandoned him. And the going to a Mass does not make one a Catholic. Holding the Catholic faith whole and inviolate does. Many rural communities in the early middle ages only got Mass once every few months. In Japan they had no sacraments for centuries! Catholics in newly protestantized countries could not go to mass for fear of serious punishment or even death; but they were still Catholic, because they did NOT go to the protestant service. So if you wish to remain Catholic do not go to the novus ordo or latin novus ordo, but only to the latin mass, or a non-modernized eastern Catholic Mass.
I couldn't possibly have said it any better. Great post! :applause:
the parish boundaries rule was in effect 100 years ago though
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
The Tridentine Mass is available enough that MOST OF US can get to one within driving distance.
That is precisely one of the reasons I believe in the Traditional Movement. It's a test and all that (which God would do, and has done in the past) yet it's not a ridiculously difficult one to deal with, for most Catholics who have their priorities straight.
It's just difficult enough, without being impossible. Remember that God doesn't expect the impossible.
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
Of course you can get to a traditional mass...about a hundred years Ford starting mass producing cheap cars for the average citizen, the act of using a car, is called driving. You drive to a traditional mass, if it takes 1 hour, you must go every sunday, if it take 3 hours, try and go every 3-5 weeks, if it is 6 hours, maybe go quarterly (3 months). And on the sundays you don't drive to Mass, stay home and pray 15 decades and/or read the missal.
It's very simple, no Jesus has not abandoned us, the people of the world abandoned him. And the going to a Mass does not make one a Catholic. Holding the Catholic faith whole and inviolate does. Many rural communities in the early middle ages only got Mass once every few months. In Japan they had no sacraments for centuries! Catholics in newly protestantized countries could not go to mass for fear of serious punishment or even death; but they were still Catholic, because they did NOT go to the protestant service. So if you wish to remain Catholic do not go to the novus ordo or latin novus ordo, but only to the latin mass, or a non-modernized eastern Catholic Mass.
I couldn't possibly have said it any better. Great post! :applause:
the parish boundaries rule was in effect 100 years ago though
Is this a joke? Or do I misunderstand you? It's "parish boundaries" that are keeping you imaginatively tied to the Novus Ordo just because that's what's in your geographical parish?
Not to mention....
Do you have any idea how arbitrary and illogical those boundaries can be? For example, the closest Mass to me, geographically, is the Latin Mass, yet supposedly I "belong" to a parish farther away than that -- a parish where the church building itself is almost always closed, except for their uninspiring (of course) N.O. Mass times. Confession is, of course, even rarer there. ("By appointment")
Now, why would anyone who is serious about her or his soul consider "obeying" such parish boundaries which never offer the true sacraments and rarely even offer fake or mediocre ones.
My salvation is much more important to me than the "rules" of the diocese -- most of which were invented by ignorant layment and "empowered" but equally ignorant lay women.
Finally, as to accessibility ("outside your parish boundaries")...
Most of the Latin Mass-goers at my parish would be happy (and have been happy) to pick up someone needing a ride. It's part of the whole evangelization to the true Mass. I'm sure that if there is a traditional Latin Mass within driving distance, you would be able to ask either the parish or any Society, etc. celebrating that Mass if you/they could post a request for a ride. Again, most of us attending these Masses consider it a Spiritual Work of Mercy to make them more accessible to others.
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can't get to Traditional Mass--so..novus ordo Mass?
yeh, i really dont think Jesus would have let the Church go into such disarray and apostacy even.. that only the traditional Mass is... um... efficacious or however u say
In other words, i would rather go to the TM than the NO any freaking day. But i cannot. And I have gotten a lot out of the NO.. it is not totally.. um.. demolished or what have u...
your thoughts? I particularly want to hear from others who cannot get to a TM
Of course you can get to a traditional mass...about a hundred years Ford starting mass producing cheap cars for the average citizen, the act of using a car, is called driving. You drive to a traditional mass, if it takes 1 hour, you must go every sunday, if it take 3 hours, try and go every 3-5 weeks, if it is 6 hours, maybe go quarterly (3 months). And on the sundays you don't drive to Mass, stay home and pray 15 decades and/or read the missal.
It's very simple, no Jesus has not abandoned us, the people of the world abandoned him. And the going to a Mass does not make one a Catholic. Holding the Catholic faith whole and inviolate does. Many rural communities in the early middle ages only got Mass once every few months. In Japan they had no sacraments for centuries! Catholics in newly protestantized countries could not go to mass for fear of serious punishment or even death; but they were still Catholic, because they did NOT go to the protestant service. So if you wish to remain Catholic do not go to the novus ordo or latin novus ordo, but only to the latin mass, or a non-modernized eastern Catholic Mass.
Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.
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Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.
Where do you live?
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Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.
Where do you live?
I've noticed this attitude on many forums (I'm talking about the first post). People complain that they can't get to a traditional Mass for some reason (in this case, it's physical disability along with financial problems) and simply want traditional Catholic to salve their consciences about going to the Novus Ordo (which, apparently, doesn't have the same physical and financial constraints as the traditional Mass).
Yet, these people will simply not provide any location information which could result in another forum member realizing that he might be able to help.
I've come to disbelieve in the good faith of such posters.
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Um, not everyone drives or has access to a car, or, in several cases known to me, is physically, financially able to go, although many are.
Where do you live?
I've noticed this attitude on many forums (I'm talking about the first post). People complain that they can't get to a traditional Mass for some reason (in this case, it's physical disability along with financial problems) and simply want traditional Catholic to salve their consciences about going to the Novus Ordo (which, apparently, doesn't have the same physical and financial constraints as the traditional Mass).
Yet, these people will simply not provide any location information which could result in another forum member realizing that he might be able to help.
I've come to disbelieve in the good faith of such posters.
I think you should give the OP the benefit of a doubt.
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The OP is quite satisfied with the NO. Claims not to able to get to a true Mass but says she does not know where her nearest is. That doesn't add up.
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It's a good question. I used to attend the Novus Ordo daily, until about 2007. I had some very disturbing experiences: nearly topless singing leaders at the pulpit, horrible chattering in the church after Mass, commands to practice the songs instead of silently praying before Mass, and Confessions where the priest told me that my mortal sins were not sins. The traditional Mass is a relief, but are we obliged to submit to the torture of the new Mass if we can't get to a traditional Mass on a Sunday? I still wonder.
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It's a good question. I used to attend the Novus Ordo daily, until about 2007. I had some very disturbing experiences: nearly topless singing leaders at the pulpit, horrible chattering in the church after Mass, commands to practice the songs instead of silently praying before Mass, and Confessions where the priest told me that my mortal sins were not sins. The traditional Mass is a relief, but are we obliged to submit to the torture of the new Mass if we can't get to a traditional Mass on a Sunday? I still wonder.
I would make a distinction between inappropriate clothing worn by song leaders, bad behavior by the other people before and after mass, bad confessors and the TLM itself. You could find other problems waiting for you also. There is the devil you know and the devil waiting around the corner to come grab you. If the OP is really unable to get to the TLM then I think it is best to focus on who it is that we come to visit. Jesus told St Teresa of Avila that his special love for her made him pass through the hands of a very evil priest just so that he could be with her in Holy Communion. Who knows, it could be your worthy reception of Holy Communion that could bring peace to an unsettled world.
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The traditional Mass is a relief, but are we obliged to submit to the torture of the new Mass if we can't get to a traditional Mass on a Sunday? I still wonder.
The Holy Mass is the ultimate and perfect prayer. If it is not said perfectly and if the liturgy is full of sacrileges (what new-rome falsely calls "abuses"), you shouldn't go.
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The New Mass is a danger to your faith. The proof is the huge apostasy that has taken place since Vatican II.
Go look at the statistics for the Catholic Church over the past 80 years. You see a sharp turn downhill right at Vatican II. If they doesn't convince you that there's a "Crisis in the Church" necessitating participation in the Traditional Movement, then nothing will.
So-called "Catholics" don't even know their faith anymore. With a few rare exceptions, they don't practice any Catholic customs (scapular, indulgences, litanies, daily Rosary, Confession, fasting, abstaining, etc.), they are ignorant about the Faith, they practice contraception, they go along with liberal agendas (anti-death penalty, pro-open-borders-immigration, environmentalism, tolerance for sodomites, etc.) while being complacent about contraception and abortion. NOT acceptable for someone claiming to be Catholic.
The list of anecdotes could fill a volume of encyclopedias. Just recently a distant relative took her slightly older sister out to lunch on Good Friday. They stopped at Bill Miller Bar-B-Q thinking they had fish (they didn't -- they should have known better, since they were born in this area). Then they just ordered chicken, after the sister said, "Oh well, I'm over 65 anyhow." Problem 1: That doesn't excuse from abstaining; just from fasting. Problem 2: That would go for those over 65, not the distant relative who was several years younger.
So just in this one case, you have 2 Novus Ordo Catholics, taking that "twice a year fasting/abstaining" and easily converting it into "never". No mortification, no fasting. They completely fit in with the modern world, which is all about enjoying life (including Bar-B-Q) and has no use for sacrifice, mortification, and fasting (unless it's for health reasons, or to loose weight to get a great Bod -- then the World makes an exception! Hedonism can use that, after all...)
Just think of all the environmentalists, animal rights activists, etc. who do without meat or fast ALL THE TIME because they happen to be somewhere that doesn't offer vegan options? And now Catholics can't even fast twice a year. Pathetic!
When something is reduced to twice a year, it's almost impossible NOT to end up rounding-down to 0 (never). Whether it's going to confession, going to Mass, fasting, exercising, or anything else. When you don't have the habit, you're not magically going to drum up the habit every 3 months or something. No, once something feels like "never" it's going to stay perfectly "never" indefinitely. It's a big deal at that point. Something fun like a vacation or a birthday party, THAT you can do just once a year -- you're not going to skip out on fun, even if it is a big deal for you. A once-a-year birthday party is a big deal, but you happily go through that because it's fun. Fasting or going to confession? Not so much.
Just for starters, if you never fast or abstain, you're not going to know how to do it. You'll have no meatless dishes in your repertoire, you won't be used to eating anything meatless, etc.
That's why good habits (prayer, confession, exercise, study, work, etc.) must be learned, and early.
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Generally speaking, the n.o. is to be avoided entirely. There MIGHT be a very few exceptions, like an old person at a very conservative parish, someone who truly knows his faith, is sure the priest was validly ordained...MAYBE...
Certainly do not take children, do not go if there are altar girls, lady eucharistic ministers, rock music, liturgical dancers, anything in favor of sɛҳuąƖ perversion...
Better to have a Holy Hour alone, maybe listen to an on-line sermon by a traditional priest, even if you have to wait a few days for Sunday's sermon to be posted.
This is what I do. I get to actual Mass only once or twice a year. I tried to find a conservative novus ordo, but gave it up as I couldn't stand the irreverence, not even to sit in back and read the traditional missal. I usually go off by myself to a nearby park or sit in the car for Holy Hour. Nobody's interested in joining me plus I have to do it either very early or late because of family duties during the day. If Holy Days of obligation fall during the week, I do the same thing, except not for an hour. I work 12-14 hour days, can't get off, so it's usually a Holy Half-hour. Admittedly not ideal, but the SSPX banished me in 2014 and they're the only traditional venue around.
Duties and my own age and health restrict my ability to get to a resistance Mass. I have to have a four day weekend free plus money to rent a car and stay in motels.
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people were moaning about people who can't get to a latin mass earlier in the thread.
I find it difficult
I live in Surrey England - have no car and trains don't always run on sundays.
There - keep moaning all you like, good luck finding me a mass close by.
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people were moaning about people who can't get to a latin mass earlier in the thread.
I find it difficult
I live in Surrey England - have no car and trains don't always run on sundays.
There - keep moaning all you like, good luck finding me a mass close by.
Don't get mad. Try the previous suggestion, and go to the n.o. if you've prayed and to the best of your judgment, are okay.
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I live in Surrey England - have no car and trains don't always run on sundays.
There is apparently a SSPX center at Sandy Lane, Maybury, GU22 8BA
https://fsspx.uk/en/community/priories
If you were open to a latin Mass in a NO church, this one says it has a "traditional Mass".
http://www.stjoanofarcfarnham.co.uk
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There is apparently a SSPX center at Sandy Lane, Maybury, GU22 8BA
https://fsspx.uk/en/community/priories
If you were open to a latin Mass in a NO church, this one says it has a "traditional Mass".
http://www.stjoanofarcfarnham.co.uk
thanks for the tip, but these are MILES out, i've never been to these places or heard of these places, like I said, I would need to get a train and the trains don't always run on sundays due to engineer works. The closest ones I get to are in central London.
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Check out the eastern rite Catholic Churches in your area. They have validly ordained priests and do not use the Novus Ordo.