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Brown Scapular and Surgery
« on: May 04, 2018, 07:05:24 PM »
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    • I will be going in for a very necessary surgery in the coming few weeks, and wondered if there was any advice for asking the surgeon to allow me to wear my scapular during. I have heard that scapulars and similar items of religious nature are unwelcome in the operating room. Usually some concern for sterility, etc. Also, I am pretty sure the surgeon is either Muslim (because he is middle-eastern), or possibly atheist as most of them seem to be. I have worn the brown scapular for years, even in the shower, and don't want to take the risk of surgery without it. I know there are several members with medical experience... Any advice?
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2018, 07:06:32 PM »
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    • Seek another surgeon ... one who is Catholic.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2018, 07:08:09 PM »
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    • I wrote the post above.  If you cannot find a Catholic surgeon at one hospital, try another hospital.

    Seriously, perhaps a Catholic surgeon would accept a new clean scapular that is enclosed in a sandwich bag and pinned to your gown.

    Surgeons should be more concerned with MRSA.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2018, 07:17:10 PM »
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    • Any chance you can see a priest for confession before surgery?
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2018, 07:45:47 PM »
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    • I had a Muslim (not practicing) surgeon for emergency abdominal surgery.  I explained about the scapular, and I was allowed to wear it.  I believe it was not removed as I awoke with it still on in the same manner I had it in the OR right before going under anesthesia.  A woman I know had heart surgery and wore her scapular around her ankle.  Have a talk, first, with the surgeon, anethisiologist, social worker, and priest.  You should be able to work something out.  
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2018, 08:17:33 PM »
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    • Had to take mine off once for a surgery in Brazil. I know the feeling.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2018, 09:56:27 PM »
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    • Catholics should not be superstitious; the scapular is not a magical amulet that loses it "power" when not worn, it is a symbol of our devotion.  

    Should you die on the table the BVM is not going to swoop down and cast you into hell yelling "GOTCHA!" because you were unable to wear it for an hour or two, she already knows your intentions what level of devotion you have (or don't have).
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2018, 11:38:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on May 04, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
    Catholics should not be superstitious; the scapular is not a magical amulet that loses it "power" when not worn, it is a symbol of our devotion.  

    Should you die on the table the BVM is not going to swoop down and cast you into hell yelling "GOTCHA!" because you were unable to wear it for an hour or two, she already knows your intentions what level of devotion you have (or don't have).
    It is truly sad that you must resort to the Modernist rant of "superstitious."
    Get behind me Satan.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2018, 12:27:35 AM »
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    Also, I am pretty sure the surgeon is either Muslim (because he is middle-eastern), or possibly atheist as most of them seem to be.
    Why would you assume that because the surgeon is middle-eastern that he is Muslim or atheist?
    And even if he is Muslim that he would refuse a reasonable request to wear a clean scapular well hidden and away from the operation site as suggested by another poster?
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #9 on: May 05, 2018, 03:29:08 AM »
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    • Because it has been my experience that most middle-easterners (and the one in question is Iranian) are Muslim. And by the time they are done with college the majority of medical and science majors have adopted atheism.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #10 on: May 05, 2018, 03:59:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on May 04, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
    Catholics should not be superstitious; the scapular is not a magical amulet that loses it "power" when not worn, it is a symbol of our devotion.  

    Should you die on the table the BVM is not going to swoop down and cast you into hell yelling "GOTCHA!" because you were unable to wear it for an hour or two, she already knows your intentions what level of devotion you have (or don't have).
    This is true, yet should the worst happen during surgery, I wanted to meet Our Blessed Mother clothed with her scapular, which is why I had mine wrapped around my arm when I had bypass surgery. The Doctor had no problem at all with it.    
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #11 on: May 05, 2018, 07:29:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on May 05, 2018, 03:29:08 AM
    Because it has been my experience that most middle-easterners (and the one in question is Iranian) are Muslim. And by the time they are done with college the majority of medical and science majors have adopted atheism.
    So you have determined that the doctor is Iranian. Does that mean that he is Muslim? Maybe he is a Jєω.

    Is there a reason to presume that a Muslim would refuse a reasonable request to wear a clean scapular well hidden and away from the operation site? Recently I wore my wedding ring in an operating theatre. It was just taped over, no fuss!

     Have you asked already?
    Let us know how you get on.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #12 on: May 07, 2018, 06:33:24 PM »
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    • Hospitals have various ways of sterilizing items of various materials prior to an operation.  I would think it would be no big deal to simply ask that the scapular be sterilized prior to the operation.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #13 on: May 08, 2018, 02:26:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on May 05, 2018, 07:29:38 PM
    So you have determined that the doctor is Iranian. Does that mean that he is Muslim? Maybe he is a Jєω.

    Is there a reason to presume that a Muslim would refuse a reasonable request to wear a clean scapular well hidden and away from the operation site? Recently I wore my wedding ring in an operating theatre. It was just taped over, no fuss!

    Have you asked already?
    Let us know how you get on.
    Here in Los Angeles, upon admission to hospitals, the patients must place Jєωelry, valuables, and religious articles, including scapulars in plastic bags for safekeeping in the hospital vault. We have had too many thieves, including those who will amputate a finger to steal a wedding ring. Not only that, if a patient becomes very ill and the fingers swell, then the ring may need to be cut off. The hospital does not want any complications.
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    Re: Brown Scapular and Surgery
    « Reply #14 on: May 08, 2018, 03:10:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on May 04, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
    Catholics should not be superstitious; the scapular is not a magical amulet that loses it "power" when not worn, it is a symbol of our devotion.  

    Should you die on the table the BVM is not going to swoop down and cast you into hell yelling "GOTCHA!" because you were unable to wear it for an hour or two, she already knows your intentions what level of devotion you have (or don't have).

    THIS ^^^ (except that it's more than just a symbol)

    Wearing a scapular is like wearing a religious habit.  Just as a monk doesn't cease to be a monk if he removes his habit to take a bath, so you do not cease to be under Our Lady's protection if you are required to take off the Scapular for some necessary purpose.  I disagree that it's just a symbol of OUR devotion.  Our Lady has promised her protection to those who are enrolled in it and faithfully wear it (this does not mean having to wear it absolutely at all times).
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