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Title: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on December 31, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Just wondered how many legally conceal/carry to Mass on a regular basis?

I always do (and I personally know 4-5 others who also do).

Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on December 31, 2018, 06:13:29 PM
Honestly that sounds a bit dystopian. I'd never live in a place where I could possibly be in any danger of being gunned down on the streets. If we had a 2nd Amemdment over here I would keep a gun at home just in case of the one in a trillion chance of a burglarly, but having to carry a gun to Mass? What sort of place do you live in? 
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 31, 2018, 06:18:06 PM
If we had a 2nd Amemdment over here I would keep a gun at home just in case of the one in a trillion chance of a burglarly, but having to carry a gun to Mass? What sort of place do you live in?

You don't get to choose the day, hour and place where evil comes to you. You need to be ready at all times.

Normalcy bias can be fatal.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on December 31, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
You don't get to choose the day, hour and place where evil comes to you. You need to be ready at all times.

Normalcy bias can be fatal.
I mean a tank could also come rolling down the street and then my concealed carry pistol wouldn't save me, but that's not likely to happen is it?
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 31, 2018, 06:44:47 PM
I mean a tank could also come rolling down the street and then my concealed carry pistol wouldn't save me, but that's not likely to happen is it?

You have no knowledge of history, nor understanding of reality.

The Soviet tanks couldn't defeat the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

The U.S. helicopters and carpet bombing couldn't beat the Viet Cong.

Tanks can't stop an armed American population. That's why they want to disarm everyone.

Go back to your gaming.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on December 31, 2018, 06:54:31 PM
At my SSPX chapel, I have seen or heard of the following things:

1) Gang fight on the front sidewalk (with pitbulls, pipes, and all), so that the parishioners couldn't leave, and we wondered whether the fight would spill into the Church;

2) A guy pulled out a hammer and started pounding away at the pulpit until he got jumped by the faithful;

3) A month ago, an off duty cop had to subdue some weirdo who came into the church yelling loudly in the vestibule, causing the ushers to grab the attention of the cop to handle the situation;

4) Related to #1, sketchy drug addicts living right next door to church, once causing the priest I was with to fear to walk past them to his lodgings.  Because I was open carrying that day, I was able to escort him;

5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her.  I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel.  Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.

So I guess I agree with Quiddy: Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Besides, unlike some other religions, I always got the feeling that the trad priests were reassured knowing several known and reliable people carried at every Mass.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Vintagewife3 on December 31, 2018, 07:10:53 PM
Honestly, everyone who is responsible enough needs to learn to use a gun. It used to be basic teaching telling children how to fend for themselves, and as normal as telling them to eat their veggies. So, taking guns to church shouldn’t be a shock. Once upon a time everyone carried a gun everywhere. It’s only that we’ve gotten soft is it such a strange thing to think of.

Women need to learn too. It’s not a safe world we live in, and you aren’t always going to be around good men. You should learn to defend yourself, and your babies.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Nadir on January 02, 2019, 02:44:03 AM
If you die because of someone's hatred of the Catholic Faith then you go straight to heaven as a holy martyr.
Not necessiarily so. You don't go to Heaven on someone else's hatred. You go to heaven on your own love for God.
THere is no reward for stopping a bullet or whatever. We need to earn heaven by the life and death we live.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 09:06:43 AM
Wish I had mine New Year's Day.  Crazy guy wandered into the sanctuary.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
At my SSPX chapel, I have seen or heard of the following things:

1) Gang fight on the front sidewalk (with pitbulls, pipes, and all), so that the parishioners couldn't leave, and we wondered whether the fight would spill into the Church;

2) A guy pulled out a hammer and started pounding away at the pulpit until he got jumped by the faithful;

3) A month ago, an off duty cop had to subdue some weirdo who came into the church yelling loudly in the vestibule, causing the ushers to grab the attention of the cop to handle the situation;

4) Related to #1, sketchy drug addicts living right next door to church, once causing the priest I was with to fear to walk past them to his lodgings.  Because I was open carrying that day, I was able to escort him;

5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her.  I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel.  Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.

So I guess I agree with Quiddy: Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Besides, unlike some other religions, I always got the feeling that the trad priests were reassured knowing several known and reliable people carried at every Mass.
Where is this SSPX chapel?
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: RoughAshlar on January 02, 2019, 09:20:45 AM
Not necessiarily so. You don't go to Heaven on someone else's hatred. You go to heaven on your own love for God.
THere is no reward for stopping a bullet or whatever. We need to earn heaven by the life and death we live.
No, if you are killed at Mass because of someone else's hated of of Catholics, that makes you a martyr.  It's your love of God that puts you at Mass in the first place.
Second, you said that there was no reward for stopping a bullet.  John 15:30 states, "Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Third, The dumber people think you are the more  surprised they are going to be when you kill them. Sam Houston said he "humbles himself before God, and the list ends there." I applaud those who carry to defend and protect the innocent.

Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 10:47:38 AM
A handful of men, some ex or off-duty law enforcement, discretely carry handguns at the chapel I attend. It's in a bad neighborhood. Knowing one or two are there at any given time makes me feel safer. Also, I feel (almost) bad for any terrorist or looney who wanders in thinking he's going to pull off an easy slaughter of Christians. 
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
You have no knowledge of history, nor understanding of reality.

The Soviet tanks couldn't defeat the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

The U.S. helicopters and carpet bombing couldn't beat the Viet Cong.

Tanks can't stop an armed American population. That's why they want to disarm everyone.

Go back to your gaming.
My point was the unlikelihood. Yes keep a gun at home, but concealed carrying to Church because the one in a trillion chance of something happening? I mean if you really wanted to be safe, you could also walk around in bullet-proof body armour. Do you?  
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 10:53:45 AM
At my SSPX chapel, I have seen or heard of the following things:

1) Gang fight on the front sidewalk (with pitbulls, pipes, and all), so that the parishioners couldn't leave, and we wondered whether the fight would spill into the Church;

2) A guy pulled out a hammer and started pounding away at the pulpit until he got jumped by the faithful;

3) A month ago, an off duty cop had to subdue some weirdo who came into the church yelling loudly in the vestibule, causing the ushers to grab the attention of the cop to handle the situation;

4) Related to #1, sketchy drug addicts living right next door to church, once causing the priest I was with to fear to walk past them to his lodgings.  Because I was open carrying that day, I was able to escort him;

5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her.  I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel.  Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.

So I guess I agree with Quiddy: Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Besides, unlike some other religions, I always got the feeling that the trad priests were reassured knowing several known and reliable people carried at every Mass.
I don't think there are places that shitty in my entire country. 
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 12:17:43 PM
Where is this SSPX chapel?
Is it Kansas City, MO?
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 02, 2019, 12:36:39 PM
My point was the unlikelihood.

Normalcy bias.

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Yes keep a gun at home,

A firearm at home does you no good when you're being viciously attacked abroad.

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but concealed carrying to Church because the one in a trillion chance of something happening?

Ridiculous hyberbole. Just off the top of my head in under a second, there was the two relatively recent Texas and South Carolina "church" massacre shootings. There certainly aren't one trillion churches in the U.S., but even if there were, those two incidents refute your "one in a trillion chance" argument.

If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.

If a psycho walks into your church and starts shooting people, make sure you tell a concealed carrier, who tries to neutralize the psycho, that you disagree with him conceal carrying in a Church. Maybe he'll pause for a moment to let the psycho massacre you. It sounds like that's what you support.

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I mean if you really wanted to be safe, you could also walk around in bullet-proof body armour. Do you?
 
Bullet proof body armor can't stop a bullet to the head or face from a rife or shotgun slug. What can stop such projectile is using your own firearm to neutralize the aspiring killer before he lays his sights on you and pulls the trigger.

People can still die from internal bleeding after getting hit with a bullet while wearing body armor, even if the bullet doesn't pierce the armor. The blunt force can still cause major internal damage.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 02, 2019, 01:09:13 PM
Honestly, everyone who is responsible enough needs to learn to use a gun. It used to be basic teaching telling children how to fend for themselves, and as normal as telling them to eat their veggies. So, taking guns to church shouldn’t be a shock. Once upon a time everyone carried a gun everywhere. It’s only that we’ve gotten soft is it such a strange thing to think of.

Women need to learn too. It’s not a safe world we live in, and you aren’t always going to be around good men. You should learn to defend yourself, and your babies.

I entirely agree.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 02, 2019, 01:12:50 PM
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If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Honestly that sounds a bit dystopian. I'd never live in a place where I could possibly be in any danger of being gunned down on the streets. If we had a 2nd Amemdment over here I would keep a gun at home just in case of the one in a trillion chance of a burglarly, but having to carry a gun to Mass? What sort of place do you live in?
How is that dystopian? We live in a lovely area. Our chapel has been visited by 2 moslem men and a young boy with them. I've seen them more than once. I happened to be sitting behind them one Sunday when our pastor laced into Islam. The younger man clenched his fists, the muscles in his neck bulged, and his jaw clenched. The older man did not breathe a single breath. He was totally motionless.  They were casing the joint.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 29, 2019, 09:38:24 PM
Yes, you are right.  You HAVE to think this way these days.  Those two may not do anything just yet - but you may have an event in the future.  In quieter times the custom was for Catholic men to not enter church with guns.  They would leave them outside (or at home, or in their car, carriage or whatever) - but nowadays, when the world is most especially hateful towards the old Catholic Faith especially, one has to think with the times. 
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Judith 15 Ten on January 30, 2019, 12:36:47 AM
The Importance of Consistent Carry

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-catholic-bunker/the-importance-of-consistent-carry/
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on January 30, 2019, 12:30:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08BqaSuEE_w
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: ihsv on January 30, 2019, 12:34:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08BqaSuEE_w
That was me, btw
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Cantarella on January 30, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
My husband always does. He also open-carries everywhere. 
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 06, 2019, 04:09:26 PM
Our Priests are fine with it. They just ask that we do not open carry, but they know.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 06, 2019, 08:27:39 PM
If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.
At least in my state, concealed carry is prohibited by default in religious buildings and property, though the owner may choose to allow concealed carry (and so allows it for anyone).
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 06, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
My guess on the hazardous SSPX chapel is that it's in Arizona.  

At my old chapel, we had several police officers for protection.  The place was (still is) in a really bad area.  Latin Kings and MS-13 control opposite sides of the street.  Nobody has gotten shot at Mass...yet.  Nonetheless, the chapel has been broken into countless times.  Removing gang tags from the exterior is actually a chapel "position."  Cars have been broken into, items inside and car parts stolen on Sunday in broad daylight during Mass.  A few years ago, the police cleared out an encampment of illegal Mexicans, about 50 of them, living in makeshift tents in the woods behind the church. In the summer, the place got so foul you could smell it from the back of the parking lot.  

I once signed up for 4:00-5:00 AM on First Friday All Night Adoration.  When I got out of car, an Hispanic guy wearing nothing but tattoos stepped out from alongside the church.  I got inside and immediately locked the door and called 911.  He was gone when the cops showed up, but they found a ratty pair of pants and flip-flops on the ground where he appeared from.  There was also a pile of excrement with a few napkins from Burger King on top.  After this incident, the pastor banned women from coming alone and from taking any hours after dark.  

There is a strip mall two blocks down where they openly sell all sorts of drugs, people shoot up in public, obvious prostitutes turn tricks.  It's illegal to conceal carry, but there are at least a half dozen or so who do it anyway.  Last spring, ICE did a major sweep of the area after a visit from President Trump.  They locked up about 100 illegals over two days.  Eight are standing trial for murder, all gang related.  

But if you ask certain Neo-SSPX supporters, they'll deny the chapel is in a dangerous area!  

I haven't been there for other reasons since 2014.  When able I drive 80 miles to hear Mass at a sede-chapel.  I'm not a solid sedevacantist, but nobody really asks.  And the chapel is in a very safe upscale residential community.  Some people don't bother to lock their cars!  Sorry, but I'm not that trusting!  I grew up in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s, so I naturally assume even the pleasantest of communities have a few criminals in their midst.  
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: ggreg on February 06, 2019, 09:51:11 PM
Nowhere in Britain is that dangerous.  Not even close.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 06, 2019, 10:01:11 PM
Nowhere in Britain is that dangerous.  Not even close.
No-go zones in London?  Manchester?  Liverpool?  I wouldn't go to any of those places, of course there are probably no SSPX or traditional chapels there.  They're Mooslems.  No reason to have a chapel, unless for conversion purposes, and then it couldn't be there anyway!  It would need to be secret!
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: poche on February 07, 2019, 12:36:32 AM

2) A guy pulled out a hammer and started pounding away at the pulpit until he got jumped by the faithful;

3) A month ago, an off duty cop had to subdue some weirdo who came into the church yelling loudly in the vestibule, causing the ushers to grab the attention of the cop to handle the situation;

4) Related to #1, sketchy drug addicts living right next door to church, once causing the priest I was with to fear to walk past them to his lodgings.  Because I was open carrying that day, I was able to escort him;


I think these could be prospects for conversion. Jesus did say, "Go out to all the world and preach the Gospel."
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Judith 15 Ten on February 07, 2019, 01:11:31 AM
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It's illegal to conceal carry, but there are at least a half dozen or so who do it anyway.  Last spring, ICE did a major sweep of the area after a visit from President Trump.  They locked up about 100 illegals over two days.  Eight are standing trial for murder, all gang related. 
[...]

Arizona is a conceal carry state, and it doesn't even require a permit.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on February 07, 2019, 05:53:21 PM
There are SSPX chapels and churches in all of those cities.  The man SSPX church in London (St. Jospeh and St. Padarn). is in shall we say the less salubrious part of town crawling with darker skinned people.  But personally I never had any probelm with any of the local residents.  And on Sundays and holidays I imagine the sudden influx of cars was annoying for them.
There certainly are not gangs that would attack churchgoers anywhere in the UK that I know of.
And nobody here has guns anyway.
No guns!  I forgot.  You Brits are skilled with the knives.  Where I refer to is a supposedly bucolic suburb of NYC.  "Bad" parts of the city are actually safer than the 'burbs!  The area began its downhill slide under the Clinton administration.  In Bush Jr.'s time, it held steady, but under Obama, they literally brought them in by the bus load.  Three new welfare offices were opened in five years.  The n.o. outfit across the street gives them sanctuary.  Don't get me wrong, a Catholic is obliged to assist abused, abandoned, widowed and children.  But the reason they are here is because they let the men in first.  
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: 800 Cruiser on February 11, 2019, 02:36:24 PM
Absolutely I carry for Mass, Church events, parishioners homes etc.  Specifically for Mass I conceal carry, but just about everywhere else I open carry. 
I have seen, and been subject to, too much evil to consider doing otherwise. 
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 04, 2019, 08:32:30 AM
Churches are one of the most likely targets of shooters.

I have been carrying at my sspx chapel for 5 years (and I’m not the only one).
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 05, 2019, 02:52:02 AM
◄ (https://biblehub.com/commentaries/luke/22-35.htm) Luke 22:36 ► (https://biblehub.com/commentaries/luke/22-37.htm)

Then said he to them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his money: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 05, 2019, 10:13:34 AM
If you're not conceal carrying at least a knife (a handgun is better) at Mass or any Church function, then you're failing your duty as a man. You must be some kind of eunuch.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 05, 2019, 07:35:10 PM
How is that dystopian? We live in a lovely area. Our chapel has been visited by 2 moslem men and a young boy with them. I've seen them more than once. I happened to be sitting behind them one Sunday when our pastor laced into Islam. The younger man clenched his fists, the muscles in his neck bulged, and his jaw clenched. The older man did not breathe a single breath. He was totally motionless.  They were casing the joint.
Where is this?
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 05, 2019, 09:12:16 PM


5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her.  I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel.  Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.

The truest thing said this week  
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 11, 2019, 12:01:36 AM
The worst I've seen are a couple witches, one concerned with the priest's health (she wanted to give him some concoction!), and another blindly meandering up through the sanctuary into the sacristy, during a daily Mass!

Yes, TLMs attract a motley crew.
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 13, 2019, 07:11:49 PM
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/11/07/responding-texas-church-shooting-us-bishops-renew-call-gun-control (https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/11/07/responding-texas-church-shooting-us-bishops-renew-call-gun-control)
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Kazimierz on August 13, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
Return to the Lord and keep His statutes. Only a change of heart will resolve the situation.
Stupid stupid liberals.

God have mercy on those conciliar bishops. :incense: :incense: :incense: :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Re: Bringing Guns to Church
Post by: Änσnymσus on August 13, 2019, 07:28:59 PM
The US bishops aka democrats.  

They were silent when Obama sent guns overseas. 

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/obama-approves-military-aid-syrian-rebels-article-1.1372540 (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/obama-approves-military-aid-syrian-rebels-article-1.1372540)