If we had a 2nd Amemdment over here I would keep a gun at home just in case of the one in a trillion chance of a burglarly, but having to carry a gun to Mass? What sort of place do you live in?
You don't get to choose the day, hour and place where evil comes to you. You need to be ready at all times.I mean a tank could also come rolling down the street and then my concealed carry pistol wouldn't save me, but that's not likely to happen is it?
Normalcy bias can be fatal.
I mean a tank could also come rolling down the street and then my concealed carry pistol wouldn't save me, but that's not likely to happen is it?
If you die because of someone's hatred of the Catholic Faith then you go straight to heaven as a holy martyr.Not necessiarily so. You don't go to Heaven on someone else's hatred. You go to heaven on your own love for God.
At my SSPX chapel, I have seen or heard of the following things:Where is this SSPX chapel?
1) Gang fight on the front sidewalk (with pitbulls, pipes, and all), so that the parishioners couldn't leave, and we wondered whether the fight would spill into the Church;
2) A guy pulled out a hammer and started pounding away at the pulpit until he got jumped by the faithful;
3) A month ago, an off duty cop had to subdue some weirdo who came into the church yelling loudly in the vestibule, causing the ushers to grab the attention of the cop to handle the situation;
4) Related to #1, sketchy drug addicts living right next door to church, once causing the priest I was with to fear to walk past them to his lodgings. Because I was open carrying that day, I was able to escort him;
5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her. I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel. Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.
So I guess I agree with Quiddy: Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
Besides, unlike some other religions, I always got the feeling that the trad priests were reassured knowing several known and reliable people carried at every Mass.
Not necessiarily so. You don't go to Heaven on someone else's hatred. You go to heaven on your own love for God.No, if you are killed at Mass because of someone else's hated of of Catholics, that makes you a martyr. It's your love of God that puts you at Mass in the first place.
THere is no reward for stopping a bullet or whatever. We need to earn heaven by the life and death we live.
You have no knowledge of history, nor understanding of reality.My point was the unlikelihood. Yes keep a gun at home, but concealed carrying to Church because the one in a trillion chance of something happening? I mean if you really wanted to be safe, you could also walk around in bullet-proof body armour. Do you?
The Soviet tanks couldn't defeat the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.
The U.S. helicopters and carpet bombing couldn't beat the Viet Cong.
Tanks can't stop an armed American population. That's why they want to disarm everyone.
Go back to your gaming.
At my SSPX chapel, I have seen or heard of the following things:I don't think there are places that shitty in my entire country.
1) Gang fight on the front sidewalk (with pitbulls, pipes, and all), so that the parishioners couldn't leave, and we wondered whether the fight would spill into the Church;
2) A guy pulled out a hammer and started pounding away at the pulpit until he got jumped by the faithful;
3) A month ago, an off duty cop had to subdue some weirdo who came into the church yelling loudly in the vestibule, causing the ushers to grab the attention of the cop to handle the situation;
4) Related to #1, sketchy drug addicts living right next door to church, once causing the priest I was with to fear to walk past them to his lodgings. Because I was open carrying that day, I was able to escort him;
5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her. I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel. Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.
So I guess I agree with Quiddy: Better to have one and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
Besides, unlike some other religions, I always got the feeling that the trad priests were reassured knowing several known and reliable people carried at every Mass.
Where is this SSPX chapel?Is it Kansas City, MO?
My point was the unlikelihood.
Yes keep a gun at home,
but concealed carrying to Church because the one in a trillion chance of something happening?
I mean if you really wanted to be safe, you could also walk around in bullet-proof body armour. Do you?
Honestly, everyone who is responsible enough needs to learn to use a gun. It used to be basic teaching telling children how to fend for themselves, and as normal as telling them to eat their veggies. So, taking guns to church shouldn’t be a shock. Once upon a time everyone carried a gun everywhere. It’s only that we’ve gotten soft is it such a strange thing to think of.
Women need to learn too. It’s not a safe world we live in, and you aren’t always going to be around good men. You should learn to defend yourself, and your babies.
If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.Exactly.
Honestly that sounds a bit dystopian. I'd never live in a place where I could possibly be in any danger of being gunned down on the streets. If we had a 2nd Amemdment over here I would keep a gun at home just in case of the one in a trillion chance of a burglarly, but having to carry a gun to Mass? What sort of place do you live in?How is that dystopian? We live in a lovely area. Our chapel has been visited by 2 moslem men and a young boy with them. I've seen them more than once. I happened to be sitting behind them one Sunday when our pastor laced into Islam. The younger man clenched his fists, the muscles in his neck bulged, and his jaw clenched. The older man did not breathe a single breath. He was totally motionless. They were casing the joint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08BqaSuEE_wThat was me, btw
If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.At least in my state, concealed carry is prohibited by default in religious buildings and property, though the owner may choose to allow concealed carry (and so allows it for anyone).
Nowhere in Britain is that dangerous. Not even close.No-go zones in London? Manchester? Liverpool? I wouldn't go to any of those places, of course there are probably no SSPX or traditional chapels there. They're Mooslems. No reason to have a chapel, unless for conversion purposes, and then it couldn't be there anyway! It would need to be secret!
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It's illegal to conceal carry, but there are at least a half dozen or so who do it anyway. Last spring, ICE did a major sweep of the area after a visit from President Trump. They locked up about 100 illegals over two days. Eight are standing trial for murder, all gang related.
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There are SSPX chapels and churches in all of those cities. The man SSPX church in London (St. Jospeh and St. Padarn). is in shall we say the less salubrious part of town crawling with darker skinned people. But personally I never had any probelm with any of the local residents. And on Sundays and holidays I imagine the sudden influx of cars was annoying for them.No guns! I forgot. You Brits are skilled with the knives. Where I refer to is a supposedly bucolic suburb of NYC. "Bad" parts of the city are actually safer than the 'burbs! The area began its downhill slide under the Clinton administration. In Bush Jr.'s time, it held steady, but under Obama, they literally brought them in by the bus load. Three new welfare offices were opened in five years. The n.o. outfit across the street gives them sanctuary. Don't get me wrong, a Catholic is obliged to assist abused, abandoned, widowed and children. But the reason they are here is because they let the men in first.
There certainly are not gangs that would attack churchgoers anywhere in the UK that I know of.
And nobody here has guns anyway.
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How is that dystopian? We live in a lovely area. Our chapel has been visited by 2 moslem men and a young boy with them. I've seen them more than once. I happened to be sitting behind them one Sunday when our pastor laced into Islam. The younger man clenched his fists, the muscles in his neck bulged, and his jaw clenched. The older man did not breathe a single breath. He was totally motionless. They were casing the joint.Where is this?
The truest thing said this week
5) One guy, a professional lech, tried to move in on my mother, and was pressuring her to let him live with her. I was about to body slam him in the church basement when the priest called us into his office and banned him from the chapel. Wouldn't have needed a gun for that, but the point being that trads attract weirdos, and we are all targets.