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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2019, 12:17:43 PM »
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  • Where is this SSPX chapel?
    Is it Kansas City, MO?

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    Re: Bringing Guns to Church
    « Reply #16 on: January 02, 2019, 12:36:39 PM »
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  • My point was the unlikelihood.

    Normalcy bias.

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    Yes keep a gun at home,

    A firearm at home does you no good when you're being viciously attacked abroad.

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    but concealed carrying to Church because the one in a trillion chance of something happening?

    Ridiculous hyberbole. Just off the top of my head in under a second, there was the two relatively recent Texas and South Carolina "church" massacre shootings. There certainly aren't one trillion churches in the U.S., but even if there were, those two incidents refute your "one in a trillion chance" argument.

    If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.

    If a psycho walks into your church and starts shooting people, make sure you tell a concealed carrier, who tries to neutralize the psycho, that you disagree with him conceal carrying in a Church. Maybe he'll pause for a moment to let the psycho massacre you. It sounds like that's what you support.

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    I mean if you really wanted to be safe, you could also walk around in bullet-proof body armour. Do you?
     
    Bullet proof body armor can't stop a bullet to the head or face from a rife or shotgun slug. What can stop such projectile is using your own firearm to neutralize the aspiring killer before he lays his sights on you and pulls the trigger.

    People can still die from internal bleeding after getting hit with a bullet while wearing body armor, even if the bullet doesn't pierce the armor. The blunt force can still cause major internal damage.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.


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    Re: Bringing Guns to Church
    « Reply #17 on: January 02, 2019, 01:09:13 PM »
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  • Honestly, everyone who is responsible enough needs to learn to use a gun. It used to be basic teaching telling children how to fend for themselves, and as normal as telling them to eat their veggies. So, taking guns to church shouldn’t be a shock. Once upon a time everyone carried a gun everywhere. It’s only that we’ve gotten soft is it such a strange thing to think of.

    Women need to learn too. It’s not a safe world we live in, and you aren’t always going to be around good men. You should learn to defend yourself, and your babies.

    I entirely agree.
    From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die. ~ Ecclesiasticus 25:33

    International Women's Day is a day we all celebrate Eve's rebellion at the Tree and our plummet into sin.

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    « Reply #18 on: January 02, 2019, 01:12:50 PM »
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    If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.
    Exactly.

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    Re: Bringing Guns to Church
    « Reply #19 on: January 29, 2019, 03:37:29 PM »
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  • Honestly that sounds a bit dystopian. I'd never live in a place where I could possibly be in any danger of being gunned down on the streets. If we had a 2nd Amemdment over here I would keep a gun at home just in case of the one in a trillion chance of a burglarly, but having to carry a gun to Mass? What sort of place do you live in?
    How is that dystopian? We live in a lovely area. Our chapel has been visited by 2 moslem men and a young boy with them. I've seen them more than once. I happened to be sitting behind them one Sunday when our pastor laced into Islam. The younger man clenched his fists, the muscles in his neck bulged, and his jaw clenched. The older man did not breathe a single breath. He was totally motionless.  They were casing the joint.


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    « Reply #20 on: January 29, 2019, 09:38:24 PM »
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  • Yes, you are right.  You HAVE to think this way these days.  Those two may not do anything just yet - but you may have an event in the future.  In quieter times the custom was for Catholic men to not enter church with guns.  They would leave them outside (or at home, or in their car, carriage or whatever) - but nowadays, when the world is most especially hateful towards the old Catholic Faith especially, one has to think with the times. 

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  • Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array? ~ Canticle of Canticles 6:9

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    Re: Bringing Guns to Church
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    Re: Bringing Guns to Church
    « Reply #24 on: January 30, 2019, 12:47:27 PM »
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  • My husband always does. He also open-carries everywhere. 
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #25 on: February 06, 2019, 04:09:26 PM »
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  • Our Priests are fine with it. They just ask that we do not open carry, but they know.


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    « Reply #26 on: February 06, 2019, 08:27:39 PM »
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  • If you don't conceal carry, that's your prerogative, but don't try to dissuade other people from exercising their inalienable rights of being armed in a Church.
    At least in my state, concealed carry is prohibited by default in religious buildings and property, though the owner may choose to allow concealed carry (and so allows it for anyone).

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    « Reply #27 on: February 06, 2019, 09:09:18 PM »
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  • My guess on the hazardous SSPX chapel is that it's in Arizona.  

    At my old chapel, we had several police officers for protection.  The place was (still is) in a really bad area.  Latin Kings and MS-13 control opposite sides of the street.  Nobody has gotten shot at Mass...yet.  Nonetheless, the chapel has been broken into countless times.  Removing gang tags from the exterior is actually a chapel "position."  Cars have been broken into, items inside and car parts stolen on Sunday in broad daylight during Mass.  A few years ago, the police cleared out an encampment of illegal Mexicans, about 50 of them, living in makeshift tents in the woods behind the church. In the summer, the place got so foul you could smell it from the back of the parking lot.  

    I once signed up for 4:00-5:00 AM on First Friday All Night Adoration.  When I got out of car, an Hispanic guy wearing nothing but tattoos stepped out from alongside the church.  I got inside and immediately locked the door and called 911.  He was gone when the cops showed up, but they found a ratty pair of pants and flip-flops on the ground where he appeared from.  There was also a pile of excrement with a few napkins from Burger King on top.  After this incident, the pastor banned women from coming alone and from taking any hours after dark.  

    There is a strip mall two blocks down where they openly sell all sorts of drugs, people shoot up in public, obvious prostitutes turn tricks.  It's illegal to conceal carry, but there are at least a half dozen or so who do it anyway.  Last spring, ICE did a major sweep of the area after a visit from President Trump.  They locked up about 100 illegals over two days.  Eight are standing trial for murder, all gang related.  

    But if you ask certain Neo-SSPX supporters, they'll deny the chapel is in a dangerous area!  

    I haven't been there for other reasons since 2014.  When able I drive 80 miles to hear Mass at a sede-chapel.  I'm not a solid sedevacantist, but nobody really asks.  And the chapel is in a very safe upscale residential community.  Some people don't bother to lock their cars!  Sorry, but I'm not that trusting!  I grew up in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s, so I naturally assume even the pleasantest of communities have a few criminals in their midst.  

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    Re: Bringing Guns to Church
    « Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 09:51:11 PM »
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  • Nowhere in Britain is that dangerous.  Not even close.

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    « Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 10:01:11 PM »
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  • Nowhere in Britain is that dangerous.  Not even close.
    No-go zones in London?  Manchester?  Liverpool?  I wouldn't go to any of those places, of course there are probably no SSPX or traditional chapels there.  They're Mooslems.  No reason to have a chapel, unless for conversion purposes, and then it couldn't be there anyway!  It would need to be secret!

     

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