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« on: July 16, 2015, 10:03:51 AM »
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  • How interesting.

    There might be something to the Chinese Zodiac, although the influence(s) of the stars and so forth are no more potent than one's temperament, upbringing, etc. All can be ruled and overruled by our free will.

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    Bp. Williamson born in 1940 - Year of the Dragon
    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 11:20:34 AM »
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    How interesting.

    There might be something to the Chinese Zodiac, although the influence(s) of the stars and so forth are no more potent than one's temperament, upbringing, etc. All can be ruled and overruled by our free will.


    Is this meant to be favorable or derogatory?

    Either way, zodiac/horoscope/witchcraft deserve no mention in this context on a Catholic forum.

    How very brave you must be to have posted this anonymously.


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    Bp. Williamson born in 1940 - Year of the Dragon
    « Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 11:32:22 AM »
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    Either way, zodiac/horoscope/witchcraft deserve no mention in this context on a Catholic forum.


    No offense, anon OP, but it's a little disconcerting that this has to be pointed out to you.
    Perhaps you are new to tradition?

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    « Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 01:22:24 PM »
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    Either way, zodiac/horoscope/witchcraft deserve no mention in this context on a Catholic forum.


    I wouldn't place the zodiac on the same level as witchcraft

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    « Reply #4 on: July 16, 2015, 01:28:03 PM »
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    Either way, zodiac/horoscope/witchcraft deserve no mention in this context on a Catholic forum.


    I wouldn't place the zodiac on the same level as witchcraft


    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05048b.htm

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    The seeking after knowledge of future or hidden things by inadequate means. The means being inadequate they must, therefore, the supplemented by some power which is represented all through history as coming from gods or evil spirits. Hence the word divination has a sinister signification. As prophecy is the lawful knowledge of the future divination, its superstitious counterpart, is the unlawful. As magic aims to do, divination aims to know. Divination is practically as old as the human race. It is found in every age and country, among the Egytians, Chaldeans, Hindus, Romans, and Greeks; that tribes of Northern Asia had their shamans, the inhabitants of Africa their mgangas, the Celtic nation their druids, the aborigines of America their medicine-men — all recognized diviners and wizards. Everywhere divination flourished and nowhere, even today, is it completely neglected. Cicero's words were, and apparently always will be, true, that there is no nation, civilized or barbarian, which does not believe that there are signs of the future and persons who interpret them. Cicero divided divination into natural and artificial. Natural (untaught, unskilled) included dreams and oracles in which the diviner was a passive subject of inspiration, and the prediction that from a power supposed to be then and there within him. Artificial (taught, studied) comprised all foretelling from signs found in nature or produced by man. Here the diviner was active, and the divination came apparently from his own skill and observation. This division is almost the same as that given by St. Thomas with respect to the invocation of demons: divination with express invocation of spirits, embracing dreams, portents, or prodigies, and necromancy, and divination with tacit invocation through signs and movements observed in objects in nature, such as stars, birds, figures, etc., or through signs and arrangements produced by man, such as molten lead poured in water, casting of lots, etc. Dreams here mean those expressly prepared and prayed for with hope of intercourse with gods or the dead. Portents or prodigies are unusual and marvellous sights coming from the lower world. Here we are considering artificial divination.
     


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    « Reply #5 on: July 16, 2015, 02:41:09 PM »
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    Either way, zodiac/horoscope/witchcraft deserve no mention in this context on a Catholic forum.


    I wouldn't place the zodiac on the same level as witchcraft


    It doesn't matter what you think.  Neither you nor I have the authority to place it on any level.  BTNYC provided you with instruction. We follow Church teaching or we sin.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 16, 2015, 03:01:09 PM »
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    I wouldn't place the zodiac on the same level as witchcraft


    On second thought, you answered my first question with this answer.  You must be new to tradition because this attitude has the stench of the corruption of modernism.

    The catechism still states that speculating in horoscopes is forbidden. It is a sin against the First Commandment.

    [/quote]All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to ‘unveil’ the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone. (CCC 2116).
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    « Reply #7 on: July 16, 2015, 03:01:14 PM »
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  • CathInfo is no place for New Agers to engage in their devil worship activities.  Since anonymous posts aren't anonymous to the forum admin, perhaps this is an appropriate time to uncover the anonymity and ban the pagan member.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 16, 2015, 03:15:49 PM »
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  • I thought Bishop Williamson was born in 1939?

    Considering his age, I hope he does consecrate at least one more bishop but would like to see half a dozen or more with many of them in their late 40's or early 50's.

     

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