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Bp Pivarunas excommunicates New Priest
« on: June 10, 2018, 10:04:51 PM »
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    • Bp Pivarunas of the CMRI issued a pastoral exhortation saying that parishioners are not allowed to receive sacraments from Fr. Crawford.  He says Fr Crawford was expelled from the seminary, when he was a deacon and he now was ordained by a different bishop.  He says that Fr Crawford is a feeneyite and must be avoided.  Coming from a Bishop who twice published "The Salvation of those outside the church" article, it is clear who is the real heretic.  

    Does anyone know who ordained him or what he is doing?  
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    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2018, 10:08:20 PM »
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    • He should be avoided.  His orders come from Neal Webster.  That alone is a serious question mark.
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    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 10:09:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 10, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
    He should be avoided.  His orders come from Neal Webster.  That alone is a serious question mark.
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    How do you know they are from Bp Webster?
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    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2018, 10:10:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 10, 2018, 10:09:48 PM
    How do you know they are from Bp Webster?
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    Because I know Reverend Crawford and those close to him.
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    Crawford had a little booklet he composed delineating all of this. 
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    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 10:30:38 PM »
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    • And an excellent booklet it is!  Bishop P. has not exactly covered himself with glory.  His treatment of Fr. Crawford and his avoidance of treating of the issues of NFP (the bishop is FOR it) and Fr. Feeney (the bishop is AGAINST him) in a civilized talk, reeks not only of cowardice but evasion of duty and lack of charity.  What a Pharisee.  He is afraid his kingdom will crumble.  Fr. Crawford was one of his best, if not a star, and he is not the one that BP would have wanted to get away or question him in opposition to his liberalism.  All he can do is say, "Off with his head!"   
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    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 11:19:50 PM »
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    • What Crawford has to say is only titillating to those who already agree with him.  And barely at that, since a bunch of "his faithful" in St. Cloud just all decided they'd rather go to mass where they choose then only go to him.

    He road the coattails of the CMRI around the country, subversively trying to establish something of a network of credulous laity who would support him once he came out of his Feeneyite closet. 

    There's nothing civilized about him at all.  He's rude, condescending, impatient, and he writes like a middle-schooler.  That's before you get to his actual arguments which are sourced improperly, rely on fraudulent material (when they're not lifted out of context and brute-forced into new meanings), and so on.  Even if he actually happened to be an honest, decent person, you're still dealing with someone who is a philosophical and theological train wreck.
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    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 11:31:16 PM »
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    • Nice try, keep throwing your ad hominems.  But his little booklet is actually an excellent defense of baptism of water.  Fr. Crawford is a gentleman.  With integrity.  More than can be said for The Bishop who is afraid of him and who just keeps dishing up all the old, tired anti-Feeney arguments which those who look into the Feeney case and cause find out are trash.  Which Fr. Crawford found out - and had the courage to say so.        
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    « Reply #7 on: June 10, 2018, 11:49:06 PM »
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    • What do you think I was trying to do?

    Have you hitched your wagon to Crawford?  Didn't you learn from what's happened already?  You realize he was kicked out of his "headquarters", yes, for being a nuisance?  That he has a pretty awful habit of hubris, exhibited by him stupidly overplaying his hand in St. Cloud and also in Southern Minnesota, in both instances not only failing to "win over" those who wanted nothing to do wit him but even alienating those who were initially excited about him?

    The problems with this man go beyond doctrine and his doubtful validity-- not that those problems can be set aside-- and they go to basic character and decency.  And I'm not just talking about the fraudulent quotes in his cute little booklet, the quotes that aren't from where he says they are and that don't say what he says they say.  He's got a bad streak, this one.  Sorry to rain on the parade.  Hopefully you'll see it before you suffer too much under his rotten yoke.  Good luck.
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    Re: Bp Pivarunas excommunicates New Priest
    « Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 12:06:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 10, 2018, 11:49:06 PM
    What do you think I was trying to do?

    Have you hitched your wagon to Crawford?  Didn't you learn from what's happened already?  You realize he was kicked out of his "headquarters", yes, for being a nuisance?  That he has a pretty awful habit of hubris, exhibited by him stupidly overplaying his hand in St. Cloud and also in Southern Minnesota, in both instances not only failing to "win over" those who wanted nothing to do wit him but even alienating those who were initially excited about him?

    The problems with this man go beyond doctrine and his doubtful validity-- not that those problems can be set aside-- and they go to basic character and decency.  And I'm not just talking about the fraudulent quotes in his cute little booklet, the quotes that aren't from where he says they are and that don't say what he says they say.  He's got a bad streak, this one.  Sorry to rain on the parade.  Hopefully you'll see it before you suffer too much under his rotten yoke.  Good luck.
    Nuisance nothing.  He tried to get a hearing, to charitably discuss the Feeney/NFP issues - but it was "see ya later" from the CMRI.  I am under no one's yoke - but I am familiar with his case.  You defame his character.  And keep throwing the garbage at his excellent booklet - it won't stick.  May God have mercy on the CMRI which claims to represent Him.  What a cult.  
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    « Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 12:07:30 AM »
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    • The trouble with these anonymous threads is that they usually contain gossip.

    Gossip concerning priests is reprehensible.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 12:13:43 AM »
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    • how would it be different if it wasn't anonymous
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    « Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 12:19:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 11, 2018, 12:06:34 AM
    Nuisance nothing.  He tried to get a hearing, to charitably discuss the Feeney/NFP issues - but it was "see ya later" from the CMRI.  I am under no one's yoke - but I am familiar with his case.  You defame his character.  And keep throwing the garbage at his excellent booklet - it won't stick.  May God have mercy on the CMRI which claims to represent Him.  What a cult.  
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    I'm not talking about his departure from the CMRI. Evidently you don't know much about this "priest" despite your infatuation. 
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    « Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 12:34:47 AM »
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    • That's a calumny.  There is no infatuation here.  I am defending this priest against your attacks that are taking place on a public forum where people who know nothing about his case will only have your misleading hostilities to go by.  The CMRI treated him, and his request for a fair hearing, with unjust highhandedness - and you here represent their spirit quite well. 
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    « Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 08:29:50 AM »
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    • Lol first it's gossip, then defamation, now calumny-- keep trying out different accusations until you find one you'd like to stick with. 

    I couldn't care less about the CMRI-- again, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about Crawford, whose ideas, personality, and behavior are inexcusable even if the cmri dumped him in the middle of the ocean. Sounds to me like Crawford might just be your excuse to chuck turds at the cmri, given how difficult you find it to not bring them up. 
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    « Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 08:53:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on June 10, 2018, 10:04:51 PM
    Bp Pivarunas of the CMRI issued a pastoral exhortation saying that parishioners are not allowed to receive sacraments from Fr. Crawford.  He says Fr Crawford was expelled from the seminary, when he was a deacon and he now was ordained by a different bishop.  He says that Fr Crawford is a feeneyite and must be avoided.  Coming from a Bishop who twice published "The Salvation of those outside the church" article, it is clear who is the real heretic.  

    Does anyone know who ordained him or what he is doing?  
    a pretend bishop excommunicating a pretend priest. all role playing fantasy. the real world is scary enough. glad i'm not in their's.
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