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BISHOP WILLIAMSON TO TOUR ASIA IN MAY 2012
« on: April 22, 2012, 09:58:23 AM »
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    After this dose of nausea I asked him what would happen if, after SSPX signed, the Conciliarists went on to allow married and women priests? He answered something to the effect that the Society would witness even stronger to the Faith (!!!???).


    The SSPX has become a lucrative social network.  

    Well, did you think the Freemasons would leave it alone?


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    « Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 10:06:43 PM »
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    After this dose of nausea I asked him what would happen if, after SSPX signed, the Conciliarists went on to allow married and women priests? He answered something to the effect that the Society would witness even stronger to the Faith (!!!???).


    The SSPX has become a lucrative social network.  

    Well, did you think the Freemasons would leave it alone?


    As things are going it looks like the SSPX wont leave the Freemasons alone!


    Care to explain?  When's the last time they said anything critical of ʝʊdɛօ-masonry?


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    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 04:19:03 AM »
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    The editor of the book which is called 'Benoit XVI et les Traditionalistes', a man named Jean Luc Maxence who also wrote its introduction, writes for the journal of the Grand Orient of France.

    In the book Celier, among other things, proposes that Catholics accept a hybrid Mass as called for by Benedict's Reform of the Reform and his Hermeneutics of Continuity. Celier calls it the Pipaule Mass - a synthesis of Pius and Paul (VI).

    Fellay's right hand man Pfluger acclaimed the book as a "masterpieice" on the website La Porte Latine which Celier is in charge of.

    Celier and Lorans (who is in charge of Menzingen's official media outlet DICI) are, with Fellay's blessing, members of an association called GREC which was set up to create a climate within France for the integration of SSPX to Conciliarism. The book, Benoit XVI et les Traditionalistes, is a result of their involvement in this group of Liberals and Masons.

    All of this has happened with Fellay's blessing and protection, as has handing over control of SSPX central finances to ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry represented by Maximilian Krah and others.


    This is dynamite information.  Are there any sites with more docuмentation of this?  This is extremely important and needs to be made widely known among English speaking Trads.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 11:29:54 PM »
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  • Why is the word bishop truncated?

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    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 04:28:21 AM »
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  • I found the announcement of Bishop Williamson going to Asia  to conduct confirmations rather interesting when I first heard about it. You would think that Asia with Father Couture in charge, who is part of the SSPX inner circle, would not allow this to take place. So has an ‘unofficial split’ already taken place or is the SSPX gradually introducing Bishop Williamson back to active duty. Without the decision from the Vatican, yet to be announced the latter seems unlikely.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 11:39:30 AM »
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  • Is THE CHURCH really going to accept a woman priesthood?  Who tells you this?  

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    « Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 11:54:17 AM »
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    why not ask your priests if there's anything you don't understand?


    A few weeks ago the most recent piece from Bishop Fellay was read out at a Society chapel. It was the usual  ambiguous type of language from him. Faithful had to ask  their priest afterwards what exactly does Bishop Fellay mean. The cleric did admit it was double edged sword stuff. Bishop Fellay says something but when you reflect, you realise has he said anything new or is it a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Are we to take the line from him that it is the will of God to sell out the SSPX. Faithful were puzzled after Mass.They oppose a deal so the double edged sword speech never helps.

    I'm not disputing the cleric was bound by obedience to Bishop Fellay to read out the information but those in the pew like those on this forum can see the wood from the trees. There is opposition to the SSPX being sold down the river.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 11:57:26 AM »
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    why not ask your priests if there's anything you don't understand?


    I agree.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 12:35:11 PM »
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    why not ask your priests if there's anything you don't understand?


    A few weeks ago the most recent piece from Bishop Fellay was read out at a Society chapel. It was the usual  ambiguous type of language from him. Faithful had to ask  their priest afterwards what exactly does Bishop Fellay mean. The cleric did admit it was double edged sword stuff. Bishop Fellay says something but when you reflect, you realise has he said anything new or is it a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Are we to take the line from him that it is the will of God to sell out the SSPX. Faithful were puzzled after Mass.They oppose a deal so the double edged sword speech never helps.

    I'm not disputing the cleric was bound by obedience to Bishop Fellay to read out the information but those in the pew like those on this forum can see the wood from the trees. There is opposition to the SSPX being sold down the river.



    Is the Society the Church that was built upon Christ and promised infallibility?  "Where the bishop is, there is the Church",  is the Society that Church?   Is the Sedevacantist wing of the Society any different than the liberal one of the Church?  Far right, Far left.  

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    « Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 09:35:32 AM »
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    Roma locuta est
    Causa finita est!


    The "announcement" is due in June. In the meantime everything is as hush hush as it has been for some time. What goes on as normal business however, is the SSPX laity continuing to fill up the collection plates. This dictatorial clerical behavior is precisely why Vatican II was a relief to many.


    It's disturbing given this 'Krahgate' that the SSPX are still getting money in the collection plates.

    Factual information that is in the public domain and that can be substantiated has been made available to District Superiors and individual Society clerics.What will they do?

    I asked a cleric based in London. He initially tried to dismiss me. He didn't like it as facts can be proven. When point (a) could be substantiated with point (b) he changed his tune. I must admit I was sorry a priest would do this to me. I was raised to have respect for the clergy.

    He obviously has to save face. He vowed obedience to Bishop Fellay etc etc but it can't be blind obedience either. At the end of our conversation, he assured me, he would speak with Fr Morgan.

    It's insulting to a persons intelligence to dismiss facts as rumours.




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    « Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 09:47:30 AM »
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  • It's been an eye opener this 'Krahgate' and how the SSPX put their image ahead of truth. You had Ashmolean and others having a great laugh at those with serious concerns. I am starting to wonder does Fr Morgan give a hoot because what is he doing either. Has he challenged Bishop Fellay about Krah.About these companies.Krah's Facebook, the Zionist fundraiser? He is an employee. They are going to have to start showing Bishop Fellay they have teeth.

    If this were another organisation there would be a financial audit and investigation carried out.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 09:59:43 AM »
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    He didn't like it as facts can be proven

    This should of read I didn't like it. I found it quite patronising and wrong for him to try make me out to be a liar.A priest should not act like this. He took the "we must be careful what we read on the internet". He thought he would quieten me. I agree we must be careful what we read but can't ignore facts. That is why he went silent when I expanded on my points. He was "vaguely" aware of the case. I told him in a polite way, he needs to educate himself on the case and about the menzingen lawyer.

    You cannot dismiss facts as "internet rumours" or blame traditio. They didn't hire Max Krah. It's Menzingen and Bishop Fellays problem.


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    « Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 10:07:02 AM »
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  • Also for any SSPX cleric attention.Facts presented by Dumb Ox that Henry V tries then to dismiss as allegations.

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    Fact 1.
    The following words were written by Peter Wensierski:
    "The letter makes clear that conflicting positions on Vatican II is 'not decisive' for the future of the Catholic Church. In short, the Society of St. Pius X is no longer demanding that the Vatican II reforms be repealed".

    Fact 2.
    Peter Wensierski is a friend and close collaborator of Fr. Pfluger and The Crow.

    Fact 3.
    Bishop Fellay has welcomed and encouraged the close collaboration between Wensierski, Fr. Pfluger and "He who shall remain nameless".

    Fact 4.
    The level of collaboration and trust between the powers-that-be at Menzingen and Peter Wensierski extends to the level of providing to him the content of private communication between Bishop Williamson and Menzingen for Wensierski to make use of in his journalism.

    Fact 5.
    It was to Wensierski that the powers-that-be at Menzingen described Bishop Williamson in terms of being "a first class provocateur" who "has always had strange ideas", someone who "exaggerates", someone who "is not a scholar", someone who is "a ticking time bomb", someone likened to "uranium", someone who "doesn't study the docuмents", someone with "Parkinson's Disease", and so on.

    Fact 6.
    In contrast Fr. Pfluger describes Wensierski as someone who is "honest and upright" and who is "most helpful for the Society".

    I am reluctantly forced to conclude that Wensierski has indeed been informed of the content of Bishop Fellay's response to NewChurch and that Wensierski is merely acting in his capacity of being "most helpful for the Society".


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    « Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 10:16:51 AM »
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  • That is why I like Bernadatte and other forum members, who can atleast think for themselves. I may not agree on everything they write but they see the woods from the tree in relation to this issue. I don't agree with telephorus that people attending the SSPX are cultish.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 10:48:31 AM »
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  • To cite a further example, I see this Henry V is calling on Dumb Ox to "Please find in yourself the decency to apologise and withdraw your false accusations."

    I read the thread again on Ignis Ardens and I can't see any allegations being made nevermind false allegations. Henry V is perhaps somebody close to Bishop Fellay or Fr Pfluger but where has Dumb Ox made allegations? He hasn't. It must be taken for granted that Henry V doesn't agree but why does he continue to regard facts as allegations?

    Does Henry V not grasp what facts are?