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« on: February 25, 2013, 04:22:32 PM »
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  • There is something that many are not aware of.

    He offered to ordain me a priest even though I am a married man with children.

    He gave the example of Rama Coomaraswamy (spelling?)

    I of course refused.

    He wanted me to be able to hear the confession of a dying man and so forth.

    He is a good priest in many ways, but I believe he feels very isolated and alone. He feels personally responsible for continuing the Catholic Church after his death. As if no other group is doing that. But he is unable to see it because of his isolated location.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2013, 04:24:16 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013, 01:04:42 AM »
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  • Uh, okay...

    I wish to comment upon some wise words written by Ambrose on the thread that bears the same title as this one in the "Crisis in the Church" sub-forum:

    Quote from: Ambrose
    Quote from: SJB
    http://athanasiusofalexandria.blogspot.de/

    Quote from: From the above blogsite
    The Most Reverend Markus Martin Ramolla was ordained to the Holy Priesthood on November 16, 2007 by the Most Reverend Daniel L. Dolan. After working as assistant pastor at St Gertrude the Great Roman Catholic Church, Cincinnati and as pastor of St Clare's, Columbus he established St Albert the Great Roman Catholic Church, Fairfield. He was promoted to the Episcopacy and consecrated by a true Roman Catholic bishop deriving his lineage of consecration from Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngo-dihn-Thuc. In June of 2012 Bishop Ramolla returned to his homeland Germany, Europe. This blog will inform the reader about the Apostolate of bishop Ramolla during the current crisis of the Roman Catholic Church.


    Please note that the "parishes" Fr. Ramolla served (St. Clare in Columbus, Ohio and St. Albert the Great in Fairfield, Ohio) no longer exist. He was consecrated by an anonmyous "true Roman Catholic Bishop." He now operates a "Seminary" in Germany from a blogspot.

    The point is that disaster seems to follow wherever (the now Bp.) Ramolla goes and it's always someone else's fault when he brings destruction to those he "serves."



    Interesting.  Aside from all this controversy, I think one point being missed here is how one can be a "pastor" when that office must come from a diocesan bishop.

    A loose use of canonical terms can very easily lead to the impression that traditional priests have an office in the Church and authority over Catholics.  

    The traditional chapels cannot be equated to pre-Vatican churches.  They exist only for the emergency at hand, but can never become a parish and have pastors.  This crisis should never become a game of "let's pretend."


    Yet this movement has become a "game of pretend" or "make believe" – and no one seems to be having any fun...

    The clerici vagi atque acephali – that is, the minor clerics, Priests and Bishops that form part of that anti-modernist resistance which has broken away from the institutional structures of Holy Church – neither have the authority nor competence to present themselves formally as preacher or teachers before the faithful. They can only be “facilitators” who merely witness a process of “clarification of values” – non-authoritative discussion upon principles and the sharing of each individual’s interpretation and practical application of the same – amongst those Catholics whose spiritual welfare they profess to serve. Bereft of valid and legitimate claims to Apostolic succession (formaliter) – together with the ordinary jurisdiction and Canonical officio and missio whereto they are inexorably and indissolubly concomitant – the above clerics cannot pretend to constitute the Ecclesia docens, nor can they arrogate to themselves in any way whatsoever the privileges and prerogatives proper to the Catholic hierarchy alone. These vagrant and acephalous clerics cannot, therefore, demand the assent of the faithful nor pronounce anything normatively or definitively.

    Furthermore, to give the contrary impression to the layfolk – for whom alone the aforementioned clerics may avail themselves only of that jurisdiction which Holy Church supplies in every individual instance necessitated by the salus animarum fidelium – would be a catastrophic aberration: ultimately leading to the creation of an abortive, pseudo-ecclesiastical entity that hearkens back to the sects whereby the schismatics and heresiarchs of past ages led the faithful astray from the filial devotion and obedience they are ever to pay to the Apostolic hierarchy of Holy Church alone.

    Such an aberration ineluctably leads to two consequences that are as much of moment as they are lamentably deleterious: (1) the distortion or outright negation of the hierarchical and Apostolic nature of Holy Church – the most august office of the Supreme Pontiff being both the foundation and crown thereof – and the Catholic understanding of ecclesiastical magisterium; and, what is more disturbing, (2) the marginalization and bastardization of the ontological dignity bestowed by the Sacrament of Sacred Orders as a peripheral or accidental datum whose value is to be determined as useful or desirable by a novel “Sacramental pragmatism” that ultimately reduces Holy Orders into a ceremonial ornament that can claim only a subjective sacrality. In this the acephalous and vagrant clerics of the extra-institutional traditionalist movement ironically accomplish the same “ecclesiological positivism” whereby the modernists have endeavored to undermine the sensus Catholicus and regula Fidei throughout the past four decades.

    With the loss of confidence in the institutional structures of Holy Church, and relying solely on fiduciary contractual relationships with individual clerics – more often than not based more on subjective impressions than on objective reality, more on sentiment than on logical cogitation, more on utility gauged by self-serving beneficence than on anything else – which ultimately prove to be all too fragile and ephemeral, the faithful place themselves in great peril. For as soon as these covenantal compacts with individual clerics are exposed to be as artificial and insubstantial as the clerics’ characters or backgrounds – especially if such relationships are based on distortions or outright deceit – then the faithful lose the stability requisite for the cultivation of the interior life. The spiritual detriment of this phenomenon manifests itself in private and public fora of these Catholics’ lives, as is shown in the labyrinthine dynamics of the extra-institutional “traditionalism” with all its scandals, dissensions, doctrinal and moral depravities, and so forth.

    Those faithful of this anti-modernist resistance who are blessed with the company of clerics who prove themselves worthy of their credence by their sanctity and probity of life, together the requisite learning to competently and decorously fulfill the onerous duties which they themselves undertook by their own impetus, are not exempt from what has been described. As soon as their fiduciary compact is broken by the disillusionment of discovering a cleric’s fraud or by some contingency which lies beyond the control of human agency – such as separation due to extraordinary circuмstances, illness or death – they must face the harrowing alienation to which they have been abandoned. More often than not, such Catholics succuмb to the puerile credulity which they have mistook for faith and find another cleric to continue the delusion of a “non-institutional church" if not defect from the faith altogether.

    Thus, a new  abominatio in desolationem (cf. Dan. cap. xi., 31, cap. xii., 11), or, rather, a new abominatio desolationis (cf. Dan. cap. ix., 27, S. Matt. cap. xxiv., 15, S. Marc. cap. xiii., 14) has now arisen: not only a Church without a Pope, but a Church that has no need of a Pope to “function.” It is a new and vile form of fideicide the fruits of which are too painfully obvious to deny, and for the which reason such souls as Padre Pio never entertained the notion of breaking communion from the institutional structures of Holy Church to form acephalous, fragmentary "movements."

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    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013, 06:10:15 AM »
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    There is something that many are not aware of.

    He offered to ordain me a priest even though I am a married man with children.

    He gave the example of Rama Coomaraswamy (spelling?)

    I of course refused.

    He wanted me to be able to hear the confession of a dying man and so forth.

    He is a good priest in many ways, but I believe he feels very isolated and alone. He feels personally responsible for continuing the Catholic Church after his death. As if no other group is doing that. But he is unable to see it because of his isolated location.


    You should please ask him to seek the counsel and company of other Traditional priests and bishops so that he can overcome his sense of isolation. Very good you refused his offer of ordination(!).

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    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013, 10:02:26 AM »
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    There is something that many are not aware of.

    He offered to ordain me a priest even though I am a married man with children.

    He gave the example of Rama Coomaraswamy (spelling?)

    I of course refused.

    He wanted me to be able to hear the confession of a dying man and so forth.

    He is a good priest in many ways, but I believe he feels very isolated and alone. He feels personally responsible for continuing the Catholic Church after his death. As if no other group is doing that. But he is unable to see it because of his isolated location.


    He is either trying to destroy the traditional Church, or he no longer has his mental faculties. If the latter, I would think the ordination/consecrations done in such a state would not be valid. Either way, avoidance is mandatory. There is no such thing as saying he is a good priest in many ways and continuing to try to overlook major things like this.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013, 10:50:08 AM »
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    Uh, okay...

    I wish to comment upon some wise words written by Ambrose on the thread that bears the same title as this one in the "Crisis in the Church" sub-forum:

    Quote from: Ambrose
    Quote from: SJB
    http://athanasiusofalexandria.blogspot.de/

    Quote from: From the above blogsite
    The Most Reverend Markus Martin Ramolla was ordained to the Holy Priesthood on November 16, 2007 by the Most Reverend Daniel L. Dolan. After working as assistant pastor at St Gertrude the Great Roman Catholic Church, Cincinnati and as pastor of St Clare's, Columbus he established St Albert the Great Roman Catholic Church, Fairfield. He was promoted to the Episcopacy and consecrated by a true Roman Catholic bishop deriving his lineage of consecration from Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngo-dihn-Thuc. In June of 2012 Bishop Ramolla returned to his homeland Germany, Europe. This blog will inform the reader about the Apostolate of bishop Ramolla during the current crisis of the Roman Catholic Church.


    Please note that the "parishes" Fr. Ramolla served (St. Clare in Columbus, Ohio and St. Albert the Great in Fairfield, Ohio) no longer exist. He was consecrated by an anonmyous "true Roman Catholic Bishop." He now operates a "Seminary" in Germany from a blogspot.

    The point is that disaster seems to follow wherever (the now Bp.) Ramolla goes and it's always someone else's fault when he brings destruction to those he "serves."



    Interesting.  Aside from all this controversy, I think one point being missed here is how one can be a "pastor" when that office must come from a diocesan bishop.

    A loose use of canonical terms can very easily lead to the impression that traditional priests have an office in the Church and authority over Catholics.  

    The traditional chapels cannot be equated to pre-Vatican churches.  They exist only for the emergency at hand, but can never become a parish and have pastors.  This crisis should never become a game of "let's pretend."


    Yet this movement has become a "game of pretend" or "make believe" – and no one seems to be having any fun...

    The clerici vagi atque acephali – that is, the minor clerics, Priests and Bishops that form part of that anti-modernist resistance which has broken away from the institutional structures of Holy Church – neither have the authority nor competence to present themselves formally as preacher or teachers before the faithful. They can only be “facilitators” who merely witness a process of “clarification of values” – non-authoritative discussion upon principles and the sharing of each individual’s interpretation and practical application of the same – amongst those Catholics whose spiritual welfare they profess to serve. Bereft of valid and legitimate claims to Apostolic succession (formaliter) – together with the ordinary jurisdiction and Canonical officio and missio whereto they are inexorably and indissolubly concomitant – the above clerics cannot pretend to constitute the Ecclesia docens, nor can they arrogate to themselves in any way whatsoever the privileges and prerogatives proper to the Catholic hierarchy alone. These vagrant and acephalous clerics cannot, therefore, demand the assent of the faithful nor pronounce anything normatively or definitively.

    Furthermore, to give the contrary impression to the layfolk – for whom alone the aforementioned clerics may avail themselves only of that jurisdiction which Holy Church supplies in every individual instance necessitated by the salus animarum fidelium – would be a catastrophic aberration: ultimately leading to the creation of an abortive, pseudo-ecclesiastical entity that hearkens back to the sects whereby the schismatics and heresiarchs of past ages led the faithful astray from the filial devotion and obedience they are ever to pay to the Apostolic hierarchy of Holy Church alone.

    Such an aberration ineluctably leads to two consequences that are as much of moment as they are lamentably deleterious: (1) the distortion or outright negation of the hierarchical and Apostolic nature of Holy Church – the most august office of the Supreme Pontiff being both the foundation and crown thereof – and the Catholic understanding of ecclesiastical magisterium; and, what is more disturbing, (2) the marginalization and bastardization of the ontological dignity bestowed by the Sacrament of Sacred Orders as a peripheral or accidental datum whose value is to be determined as useful or desirable by a novel “Sacramental pragmatism” that ultimately reduces Holy Orders into a ceremonial ornament that can claim only a subjective sacrality. In this the acephalous and vagrant clerics of the extra-institutional traditionalist movement ironically accomplish the same “ecclesiological positivism” whereby the modernists have endeavored to undermine the sensus Catholicus and regula Fidei throughout the past four decades.

    With the loss of confidence in the institutional structures of Holy Church, and relying solely on fiduciary contractual relationships with individual clerics – more often than not based more on subjective impressions than on objective reality, more on sentiment than on logical cogitation, more on utility gauged by self-serving beneficence than on anything else – which ultimately prove to be all too fragile and ephemeral, the faithful place themselves in great peril. For as soon as these covenantal compacts with individual clerics are exposed to be as artificial and insubstantial as the clerics’ characters or backgrounds – especially if such relationships are based on distortions or outright deceit – then the faithful lose the stability requisite for the cultivation of the interior life. The spiritual detriment of this phenomenon manifests itself in private and public fora of these Catholics’ lives, as is shown in the labyrinthine dynamics of the extra-institutional “traditionalism” with all its scandals, dissensions, doctrinal and moral depravities, and so forth.

    Those faithful of this anti-modernist resistance who are blessed with the company of clerics who prove themselves worthy of their credence by their sanctity and probity of life, together the requisite learning to competently and decorously fulfill the onerous duties which they themselves undertook by their own impetus, are not exempt from what has been described. As soon as their fiduciary compact is broken by the disillusionment of discovering a cleric’s fraud or by some contingency which lies beyond the control of human agency – such as separation due to extraordinary circuмstances, illness or death – they must face the harrowing alienation to which they have been abandoned. More often than not, such Catholics succuмb to the puerile credulity which they have mistook for faith and find another cleric to continue the delusion of a “non-institutional church" if not defect from the faith altogether.

    Thus, a new  abominatio in desolationem (cf. Dan. cap. xi., 31, cap. xii., 11), or, rather, a new abominatio desolationis (cf. Dan. cap. ix., 27, S. Matt. cap. xxiv., 15, S. Marc. cap. xiii., 14) has now arisen: not only a Church without a Pope, but a Church that has no need of a Pope to “function.” It is a new and vile form of fideicide the fruits of which are too painfully obvious to deny, and for the which reason such souls as Padre Pio never entertained the notion of breaking communion from the institutional structures of Holy Church to form acephalous, fragmentary "movements."


    Are you implying that the "home aloners" are right?

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    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013, 01:21:20 PM »
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    There is something that many are not aware of.

    He offered to ordain me a priest even though I am a married man with children.

    He gave the example of Rama Coomaraswamy (spelling?)

    I of course refused.

    He wanted me to be able to hear the confession of a dying man and so forth.

    He is a good priest in many ways, but I believe he feels very isolated and alone. He feels personally responsible for continuing the Catholic Church after his death. As if no other group is doing that. But he is unable to see it because of his isolated location.


    He is either trying to destroy the traditional Church, or he no longer has his mental faculties. If the latter, I would think the ordination/consecrations done in such a state would not be valid. Either way, avoidance is mandatory. There is no such thing as saying he is a good priest in many ways and continuing to try to overlook major things like this.


    I am trying to be charitable.
    I no longer attend his Masses.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2013, 03:15:10 PM »
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  • I sure hope all you guys who are having a lot of fun piling up on Bishop Slupski are including him in your prayer intentions!


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    « Reply #8 on: February 26, 2013, 04:26:52 PM »
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  • Half of this very short thread has nothing to do with Bp. Slupski. Someone derailed this thread talking about jurisdiction in a time of crisis.

    And I merely stated a fact, taken from my own first-hand experience. It should be public knowledge that Bp. Slupski is not against ordaining married men to the priesthood. It says a lot about his ordination standards.

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    Half of this very short thread has nothing to do with Bp. Slupski. Someone derailed this thread talking about jurisdiction in a time of crisis.

    And I merely stated a fact, taken from my own first-hand experience. It should be public knowledge that Bp. Slupski is not against ordaining married men to the priesthood. It says a lot about his ordination standards.


    Is there a single occasion of him ordaining a married man or woman?

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    « Reply #10 on: February 26, 2013, 08:50:12 PM »
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    Half of this very short thread has nothing to do with Bp. Slupski. Someone derailed this thread talking about jurisdiction in a time of crisis.

    And I merely stated a fact, taken from my own first-hand experience. It should be public knowledge that Bp. Slupski is not against ordaining married men to the priesthood. It says a lot about his ordination standards.


    Is there a single occasion of him ordaining a married man or woman?


    To the "permanent diaconate", yes.
    One case that I know of personally.
    It was many years ago, but as I said he recently offered to ordain me (a married man) to the priesthood. So I am not making this up. What are you trying to imply?


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    « Reply #11 on: February 26, 2013, 09:07:00 PM »
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    Half of this very short thread has nothing to do with Bp. Slupski. Someone derailed this thread talking about jurisdiction in a time of crisis.

    And I merely stated a fact, taken from my own first-hand experience. It should be public knowledge that Bp. Slupski is not against ordaining married men to the priesthood. It says a lot about his ordination standards.


    Actually, the thread was not derailed by the post, because Bp. Slupski as well as the other mitred clerics who glory in gossiping about him are poignant examples of what was posted. The down-thumbers are too.

    Why, for example, would this post be given a thumbs down:

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    I sure hope all you guys who are having a lot of fun piling up on Bishop Slupski are including him in your prayer intentions!


    This person is right to emphasize prayer, as these scandals (whether real or fabricated) are matter for prayer and sacrifice.

    But I guess the political dynamics of the warring bishops are too engrossing for some people, like this poster who parrots the propoganda spread by the adversaries of Bp. Slupski and betrays a total lack of charity (and consistency, since Bp. McKenna did the same thing for years up until his public apology and yet no one said anything back then):

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    He is either trying to destroy the traditional Church, or he no longer has his mental faculties. If the latter, I would think the ordination/consecrations done in such a state would not be valid. Either way, avoidance is mandatory. There is no such thing as saying he is a good priest in many ways and continuing to try to overlook major things like this.


    In this the CMRI, SGG, Bp. Sanborn, etc., are all united: funny how divided they are when it comes to things that don't involve undermining the credibility of other bishops who might pose a threat to their "sacramental monopolies."

    Once again, this bears repeating:

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    I sure hope all you guys who are having a lot of fun piling up on Bishop Slupski are including him in your prayer intentions!


    I hope so too, or else something is seriously wrong with where the traditional movement is heading and what it is becoming.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 26, 2013, 09:36:57 PM »
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    There is something that many are not aware of.

    He offered to ordain me a priest even though I am a married man with children.

    He gave the example of Rama Coomaraswamy (spelling?)

    I of course refused.

    He wanted me to be able to hear the confession of a dying man and so forth.

    He is a good priest in many ways, but I believe he feels very isolated and alone. He feels personally responsible for continuing the Catholic Church after his death. As if no other group is doing that. But he is unable to see it because of his isolated location.


    I would be more impressed by this statement if you didn't make it anonymously.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Half of this very short thread has nothing to do with Bp. Slupski. Someone derailed this thread talking about jurisdiction in a time of crisis.

    And I merely stated a fact, taken from my own first-hand experience. It should be public knowledge that Bp. Slupski is not against ordaining married men to the priesthood. It says a lot about his ordination standards.


    Is there a single occasion of him ordaining a married man or woman?


    To the "permanent diaconate", yes.
    One case that I know of personally.
    It was many years ago, but as I said he recently offered to ordain me (a married man) to the priesthood. So I am not making this up. What are you trying to imply?


    A married man or a woman?  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #14 on: February 26, 2013, 09:55:47 PM »
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  • This is depressing reading. Somebody should try and help this bishop out! Mother Mary pray for him!