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Re: Bishop Roy's Imperfect Council
« Reply #60 on: Yesterday at 07:37:35 AM »
If we are in indeed in the great apostasy and end times, which I am totally convinced we are, then it would be
reasonable to assume that the true future pope who will restore the Church is alive and walking around right now.
He might be an infant or a teenager or adult but I suspect the same of the antichrist.
The satanic adversaries of Christ have been fomenting revolutions and wars, unleashing every manner of social, economic and
demographic change for centuries to set the stage for the arrival of their messiah.
Yet, most of the prominent figures within the traditional movement have dismissed outright the idea of simply meeting
to discuss resolving the crisis. That's pathetic.

It is pathetic. 

God could not work with the stiff-necked Israelites who came up out of Egypt, and so He led them in circles, holding them in the desert until every last one of them kicked the bucket. None of them deserved to see the promised land. 

God leads the docile and abandons to their own devices the proud. 

I was somewhat shaken last night when the full brunt of human perversity came before my eyes, and I saw stiff-necked idiocy still reigning supreme in this arid desert. But a good sleep always refreshes good will. 

I reaffirm my intellectual commitment to Bp. Roy's initiative. He's absolutely correct in his principles and conduct. Let the mockery fall down in cascades of bitter energy. Let the tongues of scoffers wag. Let arsonists set fire to every piece of lumber offered to build the structure. Let wild, biretta-wearing donkeys kick up tornadoes of dust. What does it matter?

Good men with good principles are hard to come by. I will appreciate some now that I finally can. 

Re: Bishop Roy's Imperfect Council
« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 09:42:02 AM »
First thought, think more likely to be hit by lightening and hit by meteor and win lottery at same time than for council to make real pope. but think on it while. Is easy to believe thing from long ago or far away. is easy to believe thing that did not experience for self. is easy to have romantic notion how glorious. So now think council good idea. when see for self how thing really work will find out if faith real or just pretend game for self. Maybe be good education.


Re: Bishop Roy's Imperfect Council
« Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 12:45:21 PM »
First thought, think more likely to be hit by lightening and hit by meteor and win lottery at same time than for council to make real pope. but think on it while. Is easy to believe thing from long ago or far away. is easy to believe thing that did not experience for self. is easy to have romantic notion how glorious. So now think council good idea. when see for self how thing really work will find out if faith real or just pretend game for self. Maybe be good education.

This is actually a very wise post.

The answer to it, is to make a distinction. A thing can be known in its constitutive principles; or it can be known through sense and experience. 

Every single thing that has human acts at least helping to bring it into being, began first with an intellectual contemplation of the thing in its constitutive principles. 

Take for example the airplane. Someone first had to believe we could get a contraption up there, and keep it in the sky. Someone first had to conceive the notion that it is possible for heavy metal, powered by some combustive energy, to take off and remain aloft. It had never been done before, and it was quite counterintuitive. If it were ever to happen, it must begin in the mind of a believer.

At the commencement of the aerospace initiative, minds would have divided on the question of possibility. Only the minds convinced of the truth of the constitutive principles would proceed to the action of study and experiment. The minds convinced that the principles were false, would walk away.

Over a long course of time and experimentation - trial and error - the constitutive principles would either be demonstrated or falsified. 

If you were in the camp that believed the principles were true, prior to their being proven true, then you might just be filled with excitement, hope, determination, and hey, even a little romance at the commencement of the undertaking. What great inventor was ever known for being a pessimist and a cynic? Or who that lacked passion could persevere in a long, arduous and uncertain toil that would necessarily suffer many incremental setbacks?

A great part of greatness is passion and zeal, especially with regard to principles. Understanding things in their causes and effects is the rational equivalent of prophetic foresight. Faith, confidence, and a strong conviction on principles - even when all things seem to be against them - is what gets men under persecution into Heaven, and what gets anyone success against almost insurmountable odds. 

The unamsanctam initiative is in both the first (speculative) and the second (application) phase of its existence. The first objective is to widely disseminate and explain the constitutive principles. This will necessarily result in a divide. Those who believe the principles are true will separate from those who believe they are false. Those who believe they are true, will work to bring about the demonstration of their veracity.

The dissemination phase will continue over a long period of time, as more and more people become aware of the initiative, and as initial naysayers become convinced. The second phase, an incremental implementation, will run parallel to the first. The building of the website, the behind the scenes networking, and the internet rumbles belong to phase two - demonstration, experimentation, trial and error. 

Anyone who is convinced of the truth of the principles has not only the right, but even the duty to be energetic, positive, hopeful, and ardent. This is the soil in which successes of any kind grow. It is not blindness or romanticism. It is the requisite energy for swimming against strong currents. 

Such energy is not blind or unrealistic. It comprehends that the principles have yet to be demonstrated, and may ultimately be falsified. Rather such energy is the gas powering the car, without which it can't even back out of the drive. 

If this initiative fails, another question arises. Did it fail because the principles were false, or because external forces prevented the experiment coming to fruition? If the latter, then there would be no cause for enthusiasm and belief in the principles to flag.

Primarily the enthusiasm is ordered to the principles. Only secondarily, and even accidentally, is it ordered to material success. Therefore the enthusiasm for the principles is not destroyed, even if the reputations of all, and the work itself, is destroyed before it can be demonstrated. Principles are indestructible; and therefore happy is the man that loves them and lives by them - come what may.  

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Re: Bishop Roy's Imperfect Council
« Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 02:21:23 PM »
At this point in time they would need to set up a meeting in order to determ

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Re: Bishop Roy's Imperfect Council
« Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 02:22:10 PM »
in order to determine how to set up a council to elect the next pope.