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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2019, 09:16:40 PM »
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    • Was Bp Fulham a US citizen? Maybe this was done just to stay in the US. Since the OP went to the trouble to dig this up, it would be nice if s/he could also ask the bishop's "wife" why she married a Catholic priest!
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #16 on: December 14, 2019, 08:50:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on December 13, 2019, 09:16:40 PM
    Was Bp Fulham a US citizen? Maybe this was done just to stay in the US. Since the OP went to the trouble to dig this up, it would be nice if s/he could also ask the bishop's "wife" why she married a Catholic priest!

    That was one thought I had too.  Some posters have spoken of a "Josephite" marriage, but it was really no marriage at all, since it was not valid.  I'm guessing it was merely a civil arrangement for some legal purposes, such as maintaining his immigration status.

    I agree that we cannot jump to any conclusions about any immoral activity taking place.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #17 on: December 14, 2019, 08:53:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 13, 2019, 07:23:35 PM
    Bishop Fulham if dead is most likely one of the skulls marking the road to hell for the recently departed.

    What a bunch of slanderous nonsense.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  At least wait until you have all the facts before making such comments ... lest you too end up as one of these skulls.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #18 on: December 14, 2019, 08:54:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 13, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
    There are many kinds of valid marriages, good bad and in-between, including the Josephite variety and marriages of convenience like you describe above. However, a priest may enter into no type of marriage. Not even to save a life. Not even to save a thousand lives. You can never commit mortal sin to achieve some good. It's basic moral theology. I shudder to think what kind of advice this priest gave in the confessional.

    Stop it with the Josephite marriage nonsense.  Clearly it was no marriage at all.  Unless you have proof that it was more than merely a civil arrangement for some legal or financial benefit (to keep him in the country, get him health care, etc.) ... then you need to stop spouting.  Their relationship could very well have been little more than a piece of paper.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #19 on: December 14, 2019, 09:09:30 AM »
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    • Blatant mortal sin regardless of motive.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #20 on: December 14, 2019, 09:21:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 14, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
    Blatant mortal sin regardless of motive.

    Ridiculous.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #21 on: December 14, 2019, 09:34:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
    Ridiculous.
    You are either an ignorant idiot, or a Jew infiltrator.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #22 on: December 14, 2019, 09:37:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2019, 08:54:48 AM
    Stop it with the Josephite marriage nonsense.  Clearly it was no marriage at all.  Unless you have proof that it was more than merely a civil arrangement for some legal or financial benefit (to keep him in the country, get him health care, etc.) ... then you need to stop spouting.  Their relationship could very well have been little more than a piece of paper.
    I agree: Proof of marriage is no proof of no marriage.  You have lost your mind.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #23 on: December 14, 2019, 09:58:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 13, 2019, 01:11:05 PM
    It just goes to show you that you don't find magical bishops that everyone else somehow overlooked just hiding in a field like buried treasure. You listening, Fr. Pfeiffer?
    There are only a handful of valid, trained traditional bishops in the entire world. They are all well known and accounted for. You could go on a journey to find other valid traditional bishops and spend decades and not find any additional gems that everyone overlooked. Every apparently traditional bishop that everyone seems to overlook is being overlooked for a reason. Validity questions, skeletons in the closet, and other problems. Every single time you "discover" a new traditional bishop, he will turn out to be a fraud con artist like Ambrose Moran, be married like Bishop Fulham, or have other equally serious baggage.
    That's about it. 
    I attended one mass with Fulham when I visited a relative in Jacksonville. My relative went to mass there, so I went with him. Fulham was just a priest then. Then later they told me he became a bishop. I had doubts whether he was a priest and you can forget about being a bishop. I never would have gone to mass with him, why gamble when I can go to an SSPX ordained priest? 
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #24 on: December 14, 2019, 09:59:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 14, 2019, 09:58:46 AM
    That's about it.

    I attended one mass with Fulham when I visited a relative in Jacksonville. My relative went to mass there, so I went with him. Fulham was just a priest then. Then later they told me he became a bishop. I had doubts whether he was a priest and you can forget about being a bishop. I never would have gone to mass with him, why gamble when I can go to an SSPX ordained priest?
    That was me.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #25 on: December 14, 2019, 10:47:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2019, 08:54:48 AM
    Stop it with the Josephite marriage nonsense.  Clearly it was no marriage at all.  Unless you have proof that it was more than merely a civil arrangement for some legal or financial benefit (to keep him in the country, get him health care, etc.) ... then you need to stop spouting.  Their relationship could very well have been little more than a piece of paper.
    So you're suggesting Bishop Fulham pulled a stunt like one of the "Squad" who married her brother and committed all kinds of immigration fraud? Nice. It's great to see Catholics, especially the clergy, put their light on a bushel for all to see their good example. How edifying. What do we tell the Mexican illegals? You don't have a God-given right to live in America. Same goes for men born in the UK. If he couldn't manage to stay here legally, why not go back to your home country? At any rate, it's scandalous for a priest to pretend a marriage.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #26 on: December 14, 2019, 11:27:32 AM »
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    • Filing for an official civil marriage is basically announcing to the State that you are married. Talking Catholic doctrine here, the State has a right to know the marital status of each citizen. It's sinful to lie to the state about your marital status. Marriage touches on the basic unit of society, the family. It certainly extends into the jurisdiction of the State. There are some things that are none of the State's business, like schooling your children. But knowing your marital status is well within its bounds. In an ideal Catholic country, the State would be interested in giving certain tax breaks to married couples, as well as punishing any priest who attempts marriage. To tell knowingly false information to the State, which it has a right to know, is called fraud. Welfare deadbeats and other lowlifes commit welfare fraud every day. Criminals and scoundrels commit immigration fraud. Nice to see a Catholic bishop joining their ranks...
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #27 on: December 14, 2019, 11:33:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 14, 2019, 08:54:48 AM
    Unless you have proof that it was more than merely a civil arrangement for some legal or financial benefit (to keep him in the country, get him health care, etc.) ... then you need to stop spouting.  Their relationship could very well have been little more than a piece of paper.
    Then why don't we find more traditional priests and bishops getting "married", since it's hard for foreigners to stay in the country long-term when you're not part of an organization. And health care and insurance is uber expensive, often north of $1000 per month. Every other priest should be pretending to marry some old maid in his parish, so he can get free health insurance. And yet, somehow all the other independent priests avoid this tactic. Why? It would be so much easier to get health care if they'd just commit a bit of fraud. Maybe it's the sin of scandal, or the sin of lying to the state in an important matter?
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #28 on: December 14, 2019, 11:39:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 14, 2019, 11:33:12 AM
    Then why don't we find more traditional priests and bishops getting "married", since it's hard for foreigners to stay in the country long-term when you're not part of an organization.

    Uhm, you answered your own question.  MOST Traditional priests either operate in their country of birth/citizenship ... or else belong to some organization.  Bishop Fulham was not a native U.S. citizen (was from the UK) AND he was not operating as part of an organization.  As for whether he should have done this or not, that's open to debate of course ... but to suggest that the mere existence of this docuмent proves mortal sin of some kind, that's reaching beyond what this proves.  There have been several priests I know who were forced out of the U.S. after they broke ties with their organization.
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    Re: Bishop Fulham was married!?
    « Reply #29 on: December 14, 2019, 11:49:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on December 14, 2019, 11:27:32 AM
    Filing for an official civil marriage is basically announcing to the State that you are married.

    It doesn't matter what the state thinks; only the Catholic Church can determine whether any given Catholic is married or not.  I could see a couple filing for divorce on paper to avoid various unjust financial penalties imposed on married couples (the so-called marriage tax).  Also, even the new Trump tax code rewards the two-income no-kids type but hurts (or at best barely helps) married couples with a lot of children.  At the end of the day, I don't really give a rip what this vile Masonic Juden-controlled state thinks ... only what God and the Church think.
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