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Bishop Fellay: St. Pius X had to purify the Mass
« on: October 29, 2022, 08:03:32 AM »
:incense:https://youtu.be/qlBrsqqUsuI 1:40 part. Was the Mass “unclean” before Pius X?

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2022, 09:15:59 AM »
:incense:https://youtu.be/qlBrsqqUsuI 1:40 part. Was the Mass “unclean” before Pius X?
Oh the blindness...

And once they tie themselves to the SSPX most priests will submit to him as if he were the Pope.


Re: Bishop Fellay: St. Pius X had to purify the Mass
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2022, 10:53:01 AM »
Okay, once again, someone help me out here...

What, exactly, did Pope St Pius X do, to "purify" the Mass?  What changes did he make?  My assumption would just be "none".

If he called for greater participation --- as he said, "pray the Mass" --- that is not a "change" in the Mass itself.  I know there are various schools of thought on the desirability of a "Dialogue Mass", but I don't think that Latin responses, such as the altar servers make, are beyond the abilities of anyone with proper priorities who has a hand missal in front of them.  (When I served the TLM a couple of decades ago, I always had to keep one of those little "cheat cards" in my hand, after all, the priest isn't required to memorize his part, why should the server be?)  That is not terribly difficult Latin.  People learn how to do various jobs, play sports, drive cars, cook from recipes, do math, learn basic historical and geographical facts, knowing the basics of the TLM shouldn't be any different.  It's all about priorities.

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Re: Bishop Fellay: St. Pius X had to purify the Mass
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2022, 12:23:50 PM »
Perhaps Bishop Fellay wasn't precise with his words, but before St. Pius X's reforms, classical and Baroque compositions had long been favored over Gregorian chant in ecclesiastical music. With regards to the frequency of receiving Holy Communion, there was a Jansenistic tendency to receive Holy Communion only once or twice a year, and even that, separately from Holy Mass.

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Re: Bishop Fellay: St. Pius X had to purify the Mass
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2022, 12:26:03 PM »
St. Pius X made no substatial changes.  He did reform the Breviary and the calendar a bit.  It is true that sometimes over time, things get added to the Mass in an accidental way, such as Feasts being added, saints being canonized, etc., and with all the added stuff over time, there may be a need to "clean up" ... which is probably what +Fellay was thinking, perhaps unable to find the right English word (as Enlighs is not his first language).

So then he says that St. Pius X set the Mass back to what it was in the Middle Ages ... except I think that most would say that St. Pius V was POST "Middle Ages" ... and of course he makes no mention of the Pius XII Holy Week Rites and the John XXIII accretion to the Canon.  So, no, the Holy Week Rights and the Roncallian Canon do NOT reflect the Mass that was being offered in the Middle Ages.