Author Topic: Being forced to go a modernist university (Read 4393 times)

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #45 on:** September 20, 2019, 11:02:30 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 18, 2019, 08:47:21 PM

Truck driver. My son tried that with Swift and left. Good. BUT he works for a family operated business that delivers items for building homes and large buildings. He is not wide loads. He is very much into it and much happier. Sundays off! They will teach on the job!

OP here. Thanks for the info, Songbird!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #46 on:** September 20, 2019, 11:13:25 AM »

Quote from: AlligatorDicax on September 19, 2019, 03:00:25 PM

Using the Internet, it's vastly easier than ever to acquaint yourself with the academic interests and leanings of your school's faculty, and gravitate toward those who provide the most congenial fit.
Don't overlook adjunct faculty, many of whom have "real jobs" off campus, although they might only be able to offer barely-paid or unpaid internships^[**].

Note †: Success might require you to develop your social skills to include a sociably gregarious & genuinely charming personna. I suspect that I'm not the only CathInfo reader who's perceiving the anonymous writer to be a loner most comfy inhabiting a Catholic chapel enclosed by a bunker. Perhaps adopting the personna of the stereotypical confused freshman would be an unchallenging but effective first step.

Note ×: Except that the "nest of vipers" quoted farther above might also be a fitting metaphor for the departmental environment in which you train for teach[ing] in a secondary school". I'm imagining a modernist "Catholic" university at which its education faculty, including its dept. office, is disproportionately populated by feminist "nuns on the bus". Without divine intervention, prospects might be quite grim for extracting practical info by socializing with them.

OP here. Thanks for the lengthy responses. It's true that I could be described as a loner, though I'm working on being more social. I have a melancholic personality. Though with the world today being as awful as it is, I wouldn't mind inhabiting that kind of bunker! I'll take your advice, Dicax.
I've learned very quickly that my education professor (who also is the dept. chair) is a liberal Jєω. So your last bit of advice may very well apply in this case.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #47 on:** October 15, 2019, 11:26:39 AM »

I've been adjusting to university over time, and I think the situation has improved. I'm making good friends with other Catholics on campus, as I mentioned. I still feel trapped, but still have not given into despair. God will get me out of this. I see two potential options in the future in regards to dropping out:

1) Wait until the end of the semester (early December), talk to my parents yet again and explain that I've given this a try, but that this isn't for me at this time. Promise to get a job and to pay for most of my expenses. State that this is an important part of being an adult that I have not experienced yet, and that I want this level of independence. (I turned 19 yesterday, so I'm really feeling the need for more agency in my life).

2) During my break, secure a minimum wage job and move into an apartment in another town. Then, I will make the phone call to drop out. I see this as a defensive maneuver, as I feel my parents might physically abuse me if I drop out under their roof. I'll probably need one or several roommates for this, seeing as my area has a high cost of living.

But again, perhaps God will allow me to stick out much longer under my current condition to bring about a greater good. Any advice here would be very much appreciated. Thanks again for all your prayers.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #48 on:** October 15, 2019, 12:51:13 PM »

If I were your parent, I wouldn't like the fact that you plan to drop out of college and get and minimum wage job. That's not going to pay for an apartment, food and transportation. You'd eventually have to move home. Is that any better than the environment on a college campus? Is there ANYWHERE today that you can go (outside of a monastery) that is protected from the immorality today? I don't think so.
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Can you not continue to go to college and do so with the attitude of "living like a monk"? For example, spend most of your time in class or at the library, or walking outside, or somewhere away from technology or whatever is your worst temptation? I certainly think this is possible. Going to class, even if your professors are raging Marxists, is not a proximate occasion of sin. I don't see why you can't go to college...especially since you recognize the evil influences. Most of the time, this is half the battle. College is more dangerous for those who don't realize it's dangerous.
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You have to think long-term here. If you don't go to college, what are you going to do for work? Are you interested in learning a trade (plumber, electrician, carpentry, masonry, etc)? Are you going into factory work? Are you going to get certified as an IT tech of some type? Are you going to join a monastery or become a religious? If you want to get married someday, you need skills. You have to have a long-term plan for work.
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The world is evil everywhere - inside and outside of college. Inside and outside of business environments. We are called to live in the world, so Our Lord will make it possible. You can't run away from the world; outside of a monastery, that's not possible.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #49 on:** October 15, 2019, 01:49:22 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 15, 2019, 12:51:13 PM

Can you not continue to go to college and do so with the attitude of "living like a monk"? For example, spend most of your time in class or at the library, or walking outside, or somewhere away from technology or whatever is your worst temptation?

You have to think long-term here. If you don't go to college, what are you going to do for work? Are you interested in learning a trade (plumber, electrician, carpentry, masonry, etc)? Are you going into factory work? Are you going to get certified as an IT tech of some type? Are you going to join a monastery or become a religious? If you want to get married someday, you need skills. You have to have a long-term plan for work.

Fair enough. The thing is, this is sort of a last resort meant to buy me time to think things through. I feel like my life is too "planned" at times. I can't let this get to my head. Over time, I think I've grown more attracted to the monastic life. I'm using my time now to discern this. I don't want to feel like I'm wasting time. I really appreciate what you said about having the attitude of "living like a monk". I think that I should do more of that. Thanks for the advice.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #50 on:** October 15, 2019, 02:08:06 PM »

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The thing is, this is sort of a last resort meant to buy me time to think things through. I feel like my life is too "planned" at times.

Well, if you trade college life for a 40 hour a week job (minimum wage or even higher) you will have LESS time to think/pray about the issue, not more. You'll never have more free time/energy than in your college days. Further, if you think that college life feels "planned" wait till you work 40 hours a week and your only free time is a few hours a day and then weekends.
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A lot of this depends on how you're paying for college. I can't advise you to continue college if you're getting into major debt. I would say go to a vocational/trade school rather than load up on student loans, which you can never get away from. However, if you have some sort of scholarship or your parents are helping you with tuition, then college might be advisable.
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Here's some advice from a fellow melancholic. You can't "figure out" your life, no matter how much time you think about it. You're probably prone to "analysis paralysis" and this never works. You need to just worry about the next 6 months to a year. You're too young to try to figure out your vocation now (unless you are absolutely sure and you have a clear option). But you have no options at the moment. Quitting college isn't an option that has any good outcomes.
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Since the semester is still going on, apply yourself to your studies 1,000%. Give it all you got. Take your free time and say some extra rosaries. Spend time having fun and exploring hobbies that interest you. Hang out with decent friends (there's still plenty of decent people out there...most of them are "nerds" but that's a good thing. It means they aren't "popular" and aren't obsessed with superficial wastes of time). Many times God speaks to us when we're busy doing things. Over analyzing never solves anything. Make the best decision based on the info you have on hand, be bold, and go forward! God will not let you go off the path He has for you, when you have a pure intention. Many times we find what we're looking for when we trust in Him and just go with our gut.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #51 on:** October 15, 2019, 03:04:23 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on October 15, 2019, 11:26:39 AM

I've been adjusting to university over time, and I think the situation has improved. I'm making good friends with other Catholics on campus, as I mentioned. I still feel trapped, but still have not given into despair. God will get me out of this. I see two potential options in the future in regards to dropping out:

1) Wait until the end of the semester (early December), talk to my parents yet again and explain that I've given this a try, but that this isn't for me at this time. Promise to get a job and to pay for most of my expenses. State that this is an important part of being an adult that I have not experienced yet, and that I want this level of independence. (I turned 19 yesterday, so I'm really feeling the need for more agency in my life).

2) During my break, secure a minimum wage job and move into an apartment in another town. Then, I will make the phone call to drop out. I see this as a defensive maneuver, as I feel my parents might physically abuse me if I drop out under their roof. I'll probably need one or several roommates for this, seeing as my area has a high cost of living.

But again, perhaps God will allow me to stick out much longer under my current condition to bring about a greater good. Any advice here would be very much appreciated. Thanks again for all your prayers.

You needn't have a university degree in order to make a decent living. One of my three sons has a university degree, and he has a very good income as an accountant. But my other two sons have good jobs, and they don't have any degrees at all. They were nerdy homeschoolers, so of course they chose careers that are a little nerdy and off-beat. One of them works with stained glass - mostly repairing old stained glass windows. He makes about $27.00 a hour. He loves it. The other son who didn't go to college works in a computer-based job, in which he formats comic books for online use, such as cell phones. It pays about $25.00 an hour. He was offered the job after a six-month apprenticeship, in which he worked for free; but that's still cheaper than college.
I'm sorry to see that you are worried that your parents might be physically abusive if you drop out of school under their roof. Is there another family member somewhere with whom you can live, if you do drop out?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #52 on:** October 22, 2019, 05:50:30 PM »

As long as someone else is paying the room/board and tuition, go to this secular university and make the most of it.

Get a good degree and see what happens afterwards.

Look for a Traditionalist chapel near the university and go there for Mass and Adoration.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #53 on:** October 27, 2019, 06:45:23 PM »

OP here. Things have calmed down and gotten better with school in general. I think that I may have a religious vocation. I feel genuinely drawn to it. I want to be devoted entirely to Our Lord, and I think that He is calling me. I could be wrong in this discernment. However, if it’s correct, than what good is it (practically) to waste 4 years of my life and my parents’ money at this rotten institution? I’m thinking about withdrawing after the end of this semester, which is soon approaching.

At this point, I don’t really care what my parents will say or do about this. I would still be living with them in this scenario, but would get a job to start paying for my own stuff, and would even offer to help pay off the loans. I feel the need to stand up for myself. I don’t know if this is of God or not. Any advice would be appreciated, as always.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #54 on:** October 27, 2019, 08:20:01 PM »

Absolutely do not withdraw unless you have a clear plan to enter seminary right after, if following a religious vocation is your intention. Quitting college to go work as a cashier while you "work things out" is a recipe for disaster.

Nadir · « **Reply #55 on:** October 27, 2019, 09:29:46 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on October 27, 2019, 06:45:23 PM

I think that I may have a religious vocation. I feel genuinely drawn to it. I want to be devoted entirely to Our Lord, and I think that He is calling me. I could be wrong in this discernment. However, if it’s correct, than what good is it (practically) to waste 4 years of my life and my parents’ money at this rotten institution? I’m thinking about withdrawing after the end of this semester, which is soon approaching.

At this point, I don’t really care what my parents will say or do about this. I would still be living with them in this scenario, but would get a job to start paying for my own stuff, and would even offer to help pay off the loans. I feel the need to stand up for myself. I don’t know if this is of God or not. Any advice would be appreciated, as always.

What enquiries have you made regarding a religious vocation?

Make the enquiries first before you even think of stopping your studies. If you get an interview I beleve you will be advised to come back when your study is completed. If you complete your teacher training you will not have wasted time, but you may have matured a little.

Keep up your prayers and respect your parents. You are dependent and depending on them. What are you doing now to help pay off the loans? Are you working weekends / holidays? What do you do to pull your share around the home. I could be wrong but you come across a bit arrogant in this last post.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #56 on:** October 28, 2019, 06:40:06 AM »

Why do Catholics send their children to liberal colleges?

Corinthians states that Christians shouldn’t go near such establishments of evil or hang out with those in mortal sin.
You never see too many Catholics groups on campuses anymore. Catholic colleges such as Notre Shame promotes sɛҳuąƖ promiscuity and sodomy.

Many people have degrees but don’t have jobs because they refuse to work. Do the math. People who are now in their 50’s and 60’s are still paying off student loans because college is a money scam being used to brainwash students to be communists.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #57 on:** November 09, 2019, 09:16:18 AM »

Change your major to something practical. Go to class and get your credits and avoid the social life of the college. Stay at least one year so you have something to put on a resume. and then leave. Get a job. Everyone of my family members who had a job during college got permanent offers before graduation. You are a man now and need to stand on your own two feet. Don't just have a tantrum. Make plans and don't say anything to your parents until you are ready to leave their house.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #58 on:** November 09, 2019, 10:06:20 AM »

OP here. I’d like to share an update. Thanks for all the advice since my last post.

On All Saints Day I had to take a field trip to a middle school in an inter-city area to observe public school teachers. Watching some of these teachers doing their job well made me think that this might be the career for me. I don’t think that this is naive, since one of the teachers I observed had a classroom full of disruptive students, but it turns out that this was his first year teaching. But, seeing the more experienced teachers do their job inspired me. Since then, I think that I might just end up continuing this major, and get a job in this field, even with the all the garbage I’m going to have to put up with. If I become a teacher, I would prefer to get a job in a decent Catholic school rather than a public school for obvious reasons. Please pray for me.

Any further advice would be greatly appreciated.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #59 on:** November 09, 2019, 03:37:03 PM »

I wouldn’t waste my money on a teaching degree. You don’t need that to teach at a catholic school (or you shouldn’t...find a school that does t require it). You won’t get paid much and you’ll never be able to pay off the debt. Either get a degree in something that pays well, or if you want to be a teacher, still get a degree in a “back up” plan (ie engineering or business or IT).

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