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Re: Being forced to go a modernist university
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2019, 08:34:34 PM »
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  • Dear O.P.  
    You are not mentally unwell.  You're experiencing normal confusion and temptation from the devil because you've clearly moved over to the right side!   Medications are of little benefit except as in the case of organic brain disease or a true emergency, such as one who shows up at a facility and is suicidal or dangerous to himself or others.  If you can write, this is not you!  It doesn't negate how you FEEL, but realize it's a temptation and a test, both of which are temporary.
    If you can, look up the rules of St. Ignatius for making decisions according to the various states of one's soul.  In general, make no major change when you are unsettled.  Go to your classes, pray to hear God's Word in what you are taught.  Do your assignments.  Pray the Rosary daily, in a chapel, if possible.  If you are in Washington D.C., go downstairs in the crypt chapel, or pray, if you can, outdoors at the Franciscan Monastery.  Is there any way you can get to Mass in Vienna, VA?  It's right off the Beltway near Dulles.  Fr. Ringrose is a good resource.  I believe there is also an SSPX chapel in the area.  Unfortunately, you will find some discord among traditional Catholics, but don't allow that to deter you from seeking God.  (If you aren't in D.C. area, please ignore!)  
    Get into a routine.  That will help very much with feelings of despair or anxiety. Don't be alone all the time.  If you can't find fellow traditional friends right away, do something on a casual basis, have coffee, watch anow outdoor sports event, go for a walk or to a museum.  Have patience with yourself. If God is for you, who can come against you?  
    I will keep you in my prayers!
    OP here. Thank you very much, Seraphina, for the prayers and advice! I don't live in D.C. You're right. This whole thing feels like a period of purification/temptation. Thanks be to God, I've found some other Catholics on campus, and we'll be praying together tomorrow.  I'll pray for you too!

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    « Reply #31 on: September 17, 2019, 08:36:43 PM »
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  • Exactly as Seraphina says.

    What ever you do, don't fall for the mental "health" trap. It will lead you nowhere, or in the wrong direction. Keep your mind focused on your studies, praying the Rosary and having a good social life as needed. Pray for good companions.

    Your feelings are a natural outcome of your changing circuмstances and very natural. However...
    The devil will use them to snare you. Simply don't allow it.  :pray:
    Thanks, Nadir! I'll follow your advice for sure. I too must "watch and pray".


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    « Reply #32 on: September 17, 2019, 09:08:14 PM »
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  • OP here. Today was much worse and a little better.

     Had a class in which we had to read from an "Ecuмenical" Bible, the New Oxford Edition to be specific. The teacher taught us the false docuмentarian lies (That Moses didn't write the first five books) and used derogatory language for God. Some of this included the typical atheistic drivel about how "mean" God was in the OT. People today can't understand that in order for God to be merciful, he must be just. Really put me in a bad mood. Seeing my classmates fall for it made it even worse.
     She also taught us that people didn't take Genesis literally until modern times :jester:.  I stood up at least twice in class, saying that Abraham didn't lie about Sarah and how Abraham had compassion for the sodomites. Also spoke about how it wasn't cruel for God to ask Abraham to sacrifice Issac, as it was a foretelling that Christ would be crucified. Felt good about that. I thank the Holy Ghost and my Guardian Angel for helping me to speak up. 

    Told my parents about this, they want me to talk to my professor about it privately. Is this a good idea? 

    My parents still don't want me to drop out. They say I will have to put up with these types of people in the world, which is true. But why should I be subjected to going to a place where they seemingly have free reign to teach me their nonsense? It doesn't make sense. 

    Also, does anyone know any good Biblical Apologetics site apart from the Kolbe Center? 

    I thank you all again for your prayers. I'll pray for all you. 

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    « Reply #33 on: September 18, 2019, 02:00:34 AM »
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  • OP, if you get to teach in a secondary school it will be a nest of vipers.  Is this your choice to teach?

    If circuмstances make finishing the "secondary education" degree your best immediate options, try not to take its name so literally.  It can be considered among compelling qualifications for a job in what is commonly called the "education department" of museums, and even for the jobs known as "park ranger".   But all of those exercises in degree leverage require extra experience, as you might get from an extra major in history, or find in college "outdoors clubs".

    Keep in mind that it's the professors (e.g., of history), or faculty-advisors for student clubs, who might be your best sources of leads to jobs related to their fields.  Plus sources of personal recommendations that you are the best candidate for such a job.

    Such jobs carry their own risks: In many places, museums are funded substantially by local governments, and may be bundled with "arts" funding that's vulnerable to the local political winds.  And you might encounter oppressive political correctness, so you ought to ponder whether you can endure threats to your faith that might result from such jobs (e.g., "sodomite-pride-month" programs).


    If you are under your parents' authority you are bound to obey them.  Once you no longer are under their authority, you can ask for their advice but are not bound to take it. [....] So attempt to prepare for independence asap [....]

    Despite my warning(s) above, keep in mind that 1 crucial short-term goal for you is to untangle yourself from your parents' purse-strings.

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    « Reply #34 on: September 18, 2019, 04:21:34 AM »
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  • I feel like sharing my experience will help you. I am in a public university not a "Catholic" one so my problems can be slightly different but I found that spending all the time locked in my room which is outside of campus either reading / studying or praying helped me get through the 5 days of the week I am here. This place is like sodom and gomorrah I never found one single catholic not even novus ordus, everyday I see drunkeness and depraved customs of these students. Usually at night I go for a walk to relax my thoughts, meditate and talk to God. The first weeks will be very dificult I wont lie but one has to carry his own cross and with the help of almighty God later find eternal rest.


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    « Reply #35 on: September 18, 2019, 11:34:24 AM »
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  • OP here. Today was much worse and a little better.

     Had a class in which we had to read from an "Ecuмenical" Bible, the New Oxford Edition to be specific. The teacher taught us the false docuмentarian lies (That Moses didn't write the first five books) and used derogatory language for God. Some of this included the typical atheistic drivel about how "mean" God was in the OT. People today can't understand that in order for God to be merciful, he must be just. Really put me in a bad mood. Seeing my classmates fall for it made it even worse.
     She also taught us that people didn't take Genesis literally until modern times :jester:.  I stood up at least twice in class, saying that Abraham didn't lie about Sarah and how Abraham had compassion for the sodomites. Also spoke about how it wasn't cruel for God to ask Abraham to sacrifice Issac, as it was a foretelling that Christ would be crucified. Felt good about that. I thank the Holy Ghost and my Guardian Angel for helping me to speak up.

    Told my parents about this, they want me to talk to my professor about it privately. Is this a good idea?

    My parents still don't want me to drop out. They say I will have to put up with these types of people in the world, which is true. But why should I be subjected to going to a place where they seemingly have free reign to teach me their nonsense? It doesn't make sense.

    Also, does anyone know any good Biblical Apologetics site apart from the Kolbe Center?

    I thank you all again for your prayers. I'll pray for all you.
    Young man, I have decided to call you John.
    John, it is my understanding that if you cause too many waves in these institutions of higher brainwashing, your intelligentsia professors will give you a failing grade.
    With all due respect, your parents sound naive. Are they democrats?

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    Re: Being forced to go a modernist university
    « Reply #36 on: September 18, 2019, 11:34:58 AM »
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  • The above is me - Alexandria.  :) :ready-to-eat:

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    « Reply #37 on: September 18, 2019, 12:14:01 PM »
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  • My parents still don't want me to drop out. They say I will have to put up with these types of people in the world, which is true. But why should I be subjected to going to a place where they seemingly have free reign to teach me their nonsense? It doesn't make sense.


    Tell your parents, "although it is true we will have to put up with these types of people in the world, BUT we do not have to give them money for it nor waste or time listen to them."
    You would be better off dropping out of that college and go learn to be a truck driver!


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    « Reply #38 on: September 18, 2019, 08:47:21 PM »
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  • Truck driver.  My son tried that with Swift and left.  Good.  BUT he works for a family operated business that delivers items for building homes and large buildings. He is not wide loads.  He is very much into it and much happier.  Sundays off!  They will teach on the job!

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    Re: Being forced to go a modernist university
    « Reply #39 on: September 18, 2019, 08:47:48 PM »
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  • Sorry, the above post is Songbird.

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    Re: Leverage/Re: Being forced to go a modernist university
    « Reply #40 on: September 19, 2019, 03:00:25 PM »
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  • [....] to teach in a secondary school it will be a nest of vipers. [....]

    If you are under your parents' authority you are bound to obey them.  Once you no longer are under their authority, you can ask for their advice but are not bound to take it. [....] So attempt to prepare for independence asap

    In this instance, embedding the quote from ‘Nadir’ above does indicate my endorsement.


    [...] keep in mind that 1 crucial short-term goal for you is to untangle yourself from your parents' purse-strings.

    Using the Internet, it's vastly easier than ever to acquaint yourself with the academic interests and leanings of your school's faculty, and gravitate toward those who provide the most congenial fit.  If it's a school in which faculty are required to publish research as a condition of career advancement, descriptions of research interests can not only help identify the faculty with whom you'd be most compatible, but also the faculty that might have on-campus paid assistantship jobs to offer to undergrads[*]I was blessed or fortunate to arrange one, decades ago; it was formally only 1/2-time, its hours officially limited by the school so it didn't use up all of an undergrad's potential studying time.  But it was adequate to pay my minimal state-U. tuition, housing, and frugal living expenses (with only a bicycle for transportation, not a car).

    Don't overlook adjunct faculty, many of whom have "real jobs" off campus, although they might only be able to offer barely-paid or unpaid internships[**].

    Alas, college costs have reportedly risen so disproportionately (relative to currency inflation) that money that sufficed for frugal undergrads in my generation might only put a dent in costs for your generation.

    Footnotes follow.  As a student at a university, you need to stop fighting them like the typical adult United-Statesian (assuming that you haven't already stopped doing so), and embrace them for the additional information & commentary they provide.

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    Note *: Asssuming that the school provides or allows assistantships to undergrads.  Beware that work assigned to paid undergrad assistants might be so tedious that it evokes tears (because by definition, you're not expected to have the knowledge of your field that'd be necessary to apply any actual judgment or make decisions on your own initiative), but it would get you a regular paycheck.  How this would fit in with the scholarship I believe you claimed, I have no idea.  Nowadays, I'd expect your school's Dept. of Student Financial Aid to have the necessary info on the Internet, but if not, visit its office.  Useful info about how things really work in your major dept. might also become available by socializing with the clerical staff in its main office, at least eventually[], and then maybe only when the chair of that dept. is out of the office[×].  Altho' I confess that undergrads are at a substantial social disadvantage with faculty & staff, so undergrads might be more effectively advised to seek a sympathetic grad student, and then take care to heed their office hours.

    Note #: An internship off-campus might unavoidably incur expenses (e.g., off-campus commuting) that eats up all of whatever financial compensation it provides, which over at least the short term, would be counterproductive to "untangl[ing] yourself from your parents' purse-strings".  Be that as it may, it could eventually be a great source of useful contacts for short-term jobs, or maybe even an agreeable career.

    Note †: Success might require you to develop your social skills to include a sociably gregarious & genuinely charming personna.  I suspect that I'm not the only CathInfo reader who's perceiving the anonymous writer to be a loner most comfy inhabiting a Catholic chapel enclosed by a bunker.  Perhaps adopting the personna of the stereotypical confused freshman would be an unchallenging but effective first step.

    Note ×: Except that the "nest of vipers" quoted farther above might also be a fitting metaphor for the departmental environment in which you train for teach[ing] in a secondary school".   I'm imagining a modernist "Catholic" university at which its education faculty, including its dept. office, is disproportionately populated by feminist "nuns on the bus".  Without divine intervention, prospects might be quite grim for extracting practical info by socializing with them.


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    Re: Being forced to go a modernist university
    « Reply #41 on: September 20, 2019, 10:19:21 AM »
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  • I feel like sharing my experience will help you. I am in a public university not a "Catholic" one so my problems can be slightly different but I found that spending all the time locked in my room which is outside of campus either reading / studying or praying helped me get through the 5 days of the week I am here. This place is like sodom and gomorrah I never found one single catholic not even novus ordus, everyday I see drunkeness and depraved customs of these students. Usually at night I go for a walk to relax my thoughts, meditate and talk to God. The first weeks will be very dificult I wont lie but one has to carry his own cross and with the help of almighty God later find eternal rest.
    OP here. Thanks for sharing! I found that spending time praying in my university's chapel has been very calming. I think things are getting better for me overall. Like I mentioned in a previous post, I've befriended some fellow Catholics, even they may not understand the problems with the NO.  They still seem to be on a similar wavelength to me. It seems like your surroundings are worse than mine. I don't live on campus, so I don't see that stuff go on. Keep up the good fight. Keep the faith. I'll pray for you.  

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    « Reply #42 on: September 20, 2019, 10:42:08 AM »
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  • OP here. These past few days have been better overall. I still don't like university, but it's gotten more manageable. The only class that really poses a problem is the one I mentioned the teacher telling us about the false docuмentarian theory. The class is only a first semester class for freshmen, but it screams of liberalism. I utterly despise it. The other classes and teachers are far more tolerable in comparison. I've made some friends on campus, including a seminarian in my education class. 
    There wasn't a meeting on Wednesday, I'll actually be meeting with the young men's group this upcoming Wednesday. 

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    « Reply #43 on: September 20, 2019, 10:51:19 AM »
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  • Tell your parents, "although it is true we will have to put up with these types of people in the world, BUT we do not have to give them money for it nor waste or time listen to them."
    You would be better off dropping out of that college and go learn to be a truck driver!
    OP here. I've told them that, but they tell me that it would be worse to send to me to a public university. I've tried telling them that perhaps look into another kind of job, but they won't listen. They'll say that training for a trade would be stressful, but I argue that college is more stressful. I'm better off talking to a wall than my own parents. Sadly, they've been too brainwashed by modernity. 
    I still love them though. 
    Maybe I should look into that! I've heard that, although stressful, being a truck driver pays well in return.
     

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  • Young man, I have decided to call you John.
    John, it is my understanding that if you cause too many waves in these institutions of higher brainwashing, your intelligentsia professors will give you a failing grade.
    With all due respect, your parents sound naive. Are they democrats?
    OP here, thanks for the nickname. That's true. I have to be careful. Unfortunately, it seems that they are naive. They're republicans, which makes things a bit more confusing. But then again, conservatives don't conserve anything in this country. They gave up doing so when they started shilling for Israel. One of the reasons why I have a deep hatred of democracy.