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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on February 20, 2022, 06:49:18 PM
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Not to be scrupulous, but, does having a beer on Sunday profane the Holy day?
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Football, beer on Sundays is unholy.
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Not to be scrupulous, but, does having a beer on Sunday profane the Holy day?
Why would it?
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Not to be scrupulous, but, does having a beer on Sunday profane the Holy day?
This is being scrupulous, no?
No, having a beer on Sunday is not being profane.
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This is being scrupulous, no?
No, having a beer on Sunday is not being profane.
I only ask because the exam of conscience mentions drinking on Sunday as an offense
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Monks drank beer all through lent.
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I only ask because the exam of conscience mentions drinking on Sunday as an offense
What kind of examination of conscience is that? Never heard of that kind of thing before.
One might want to moderate use of alcohol during Lent as a private devotion, but it's nothing that the Church requires.
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What kind of examination of conscience is that? Never heard of that kind of thing before.
One might want to moderate use of alcohol during Lent as a private devotion, but it's nothing that the Church requires.
It's in my 1962 Missal as part of the examination of conscience, which has made me doubt. It's not like I'm looking for an excuse to drink to excess or something.
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It's in my 1962 Missal as part of the examination of conscience, which has made me doubt. It's not like I'm looking for an excuse to drink to excess or something.
Which kind of 1962 Missal?
By way of comparison (though it predates 1962), I checked my Father Lasance missal and nothing like that is in the E of C.
Needless to say, the morality of alcohol on Sunday wouldn't have changed, nor will it ever.
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Which kind of 1962 Missal?
By way of comparison (though it predates 1962), I checked my Father Lasance missal and nothing like that is in the E of C.
Needless to say, the morality of alcohol on Sunday wouldn't have changed, nor will it ever.
It's this one https://angeluspress.org/collections/tridentine-mass/products/1962-roman-catholic-daily-missal
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Monks drank beer all through lent.
Exactly. And on sundays you have to drink two beers.
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It is talking about drinking alcohol to excess.
If you are just having a beer or two and not getting drunk, you're fine.
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Exactly. And on sundays you have to drink two beers.
I wish I were a medieval monk...
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Normally one drum, sundays two.
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Man commits to beer-only fast for Lent, loses 25 pounds: 'I feel amazing'
Kristine Solomon (https://www.yahoo.com/author/kristine-solomon)
March 28, 2019
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Del Hall is inspired to replicate the tradition of 17th-century monks by going on a beer fast for Lent. (Photo: Courtesy of YouTube/Del Hall)
A Cincinnati man has taken an all-or-nothing approach to Lent, deciding to consume nothing but beer for the 46 days leading up to Easter. (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tagged/easter) He has already lost 25 pounds from the fast and claims to feel “amazing.”
Del Hall’s decision is pretty convenient considering the fact that he happens to be director of sales at Ohio’s Fifty West Brewing. Hall said in a YouTube video that slimming down was one motivation for his drastic decision; he had a starting weight of 292.5 pounds, which was the most he’s weighed in six years. “It was pretty rough too see [on the scale],” he said.
But Hall actually took his beer-fasting cue from an ancient tradition practiced by monks in the 17th century. Paulaner monks moving from Southern Italy to Bavaria in the 1600s lived by strict rules, and one of them was to banish all solid food during Lent, according to the Catholic News Agency (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/these-17th-century-monks-did-a-beer-fast-for-lent-90886). Beer was a common staple during that time period, so the monks looked into it as a meal replacement. They wound up developing an “unusually strong” type of beer to serve their fasting (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tagged/fasting) needs. Salvator, as they called it, was high in carbohydrates and nutrients. It’s now known as doppelbock.
Hall, an Army veteran, said the monks’ practice fascinated him, and he wanted to see if he could “push himself to the limits” by replicating what these men once did. He also believes that, in general, going without food is crucial from time to time. “Fasting is a big part of being human,” he said, “and we don’t really do that anymore.”
When it comes to fasting, this is certainly not Hall’s first rodeo, either. He’s experimented with intermittent fasting, (https://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/a20500235/intermittent-fasting/)which involves eating for a window of time during the day and fasting for the rest of the hours, according to Prevention, and the ketogenic diet, which involves lowering carbohydrate intake and increasing fat consumption.
Hall admitted he has yet another incentive for sticking to his beer fast: he’d like to try to challenge his poor eating habits and what he calls his addiction to food — especially carbs and sugar. He admits it’s been hard to quit fast food, and that he had a craving for Taco Bell just days into the diet. “My pendulum doesn’t swing toward moderation,” he said.
But he’s sticking it out and hoping that when the fast is done, he’ll start seeking out healthier food options. “It’s not about the weight loss,” he said. “It’s about the journey and learning about yourself.”
Just one week into Lent, Hall reported he had lost 15.2 pounds. As of day 20 — Monday — he was down 25.6 pounds. After less than a week, he said his body had already adjusted to the absence of solid foods and he didn’t feel hungry at all. “I hope that’s going to be a good sign and I maintain this level of clarity,” he said. When he does get hungry, which happens at around noon or 1 p.m., he starts drinking beer.
Luckily for Hall, the vast selection of beers at Fifty West Brewing keeps things interesting. On his first day, he had a beer called Spare Parts, a chocolate maple and tasted almond stout that has 8.1 percent alcohol by volume (ABV). Additionally, he allows himself black coffee, unsweetened tea and sparkling water. “I’m a typical human, I want variety,” he said. “I don’t eat the same thing every day. I don’t want to drink the same thing either.”
Yahoo Lifestyle spoke with registered dietitian Helen Bond about whether a beer fast is a good idea. “No surprise, but a beer fast for Lent is not healthy or sustainable,” said Bond, “and will leave you lacking in key vitamins and minerals needed for overall health and wellbeing, and energy needed to keep your mood buoyant and concentration sharp. And drinking so much alcohol on a daily basis will do your liver no favors.”
Bond added, “Alcohol is a diuretic, which means that it makes our kidneys make you pee much more than you take in. The water and coffee will replace some of these losses, but you are also risking dehydration and the associated effects — including skin health. Drinking too much could also irritate your digestive system, among other things.”
Before Hall took his vow to eliminate solid food, a man in Washington, D.C., tried beer fasting for Lent in 2011, according to Men’s Health. (https://www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/a19532411/the-beer-diet/) Like Hall, he was inspired by ancient monks — and similarly, he reported significant weight loss as well as mental clarity.
Hall said that in addition to his mental sharpness, some of his senses are heightening too — especially his “crazy” sense of smell. “Our air in Cincinnati is permeated with the smell of Cincinnati chili. It’s delicious,” he said on YouTube. “There are so many different parlors … I wonder if our sense of smell isn’t in tune to it because it’s everywhere.”
He also said that he needs less sleep and feels a lot more refreshed when he wakes up. As for his tolerance to alcohol, Hall said it’s been pretty high since high school, “but I can definitely feel it now.”
In the end, Hall is hoping the effects of his beer fast will have long-term benefits and teach him discipline. “I hope when this is done,” he said, “when I’m hungry and there’s bad food available, I opt to not eat anything at all.”
Seeing as beer has a long history as Lenten fare, I thought I would suggest five Bock style beers to sustain you during the long dark days until Easter.
- Weltenburger Kloster Asam-Bock – Founded in the year 1050, the Weltenburger brewery is one of the oldest monastic breweries in the world. While it is sadly now a corporate operation, the brewery still makes a high quality Bock, which is no surprise when you’ve nearly 1,000 years to practice.
- Salvator Doppel Bock – Salvator Doppel Bock is one of the first monastic Doppelbocks, brewed by the Paulaner brewery in Munich. This beer is dangerously good—it was once banned by the government because villagers complained that it was causing drinkers to become too lively.
- La Trappe Bockbier – De Koningshoeven Brewery, commonly known as La Trappe, is a world-famous Trappist brewery founded in 1884. The brewery has grown heavily commercialized in recent years, but they still make an excellent Bock.
- Andechser Doppelbock Dunkel – The Andeschser Doppelbock is considered by many to be one of the best Doppelbocks in the world. Brewed in Andeschs, Germany by the Benedictine Monks of St. Boniface, it is one of the few successful monastic breweries still owned by monks.
- Weihenstephaner Korbinian – The Weihenstephan brewery is considered by many to be the oldest breweries in the world. Founded in the year 725 by St. Corbinian, Weihenstephan Abbey began brewing beer in the year 1040. The brewery is now owned by the state of Bavaria, but its Korbinian Doppelbock is one of the finest in the world.
https://catholicgentleman.com/2015/03/liquid-bread-the-top-5-bock-beers-for-lent/
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Okay, I really want to try that...
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Okay, I really want to try that...
A brewery founded by a Saint.
It's good to be Catholic!! ;)
Weihenstephaner Korbinian – The Weihenstephan brewery is considered by many to be the oldest brewery in the world. Founded in the year 725 by St. Corbinian, Weihenstephan Abbey began brewing beer in the year 1040. The brewery is now owned by the state of Bavaria, but its Korbinian Doppelbock is one of the finest in the world.
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(https://www.weihenstephaner.de/fileadmin/_processed_/3/8/csm_Korbinian_60140e78ea.png)
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Beer should be stored in wooden barrels or glass bottles.
Leather or pottery may be adequate for beverages, as the case may be.
Metal cans, possibly even poisoned inside by varnish should be avoided.
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It's this one https://angeluspress.org/collections/tridentine-mass/products/1962-roman-catholic-daily-missal
Just as well it’s out of stock!
that guy on the beer fast needs an 80 day Lent.
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and claims to feel “amazing.”
No doubt.
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A brewery founded by a Saint.
It's good to be Catholic!! ;)
Weihenstephaner Korbinian – The Weihenstephan brewery is considered by many to be the oldest brewery in the world. Founded in the year 725 by St. Corbinian, Weihenstephan Abbey began brewing beer in the year 1040. The brewery is now owned by the state of Bavaria, but its Korbinian Doppelbock is one of the finest in the world.
He was probably canonized specifically BECAUSE of the beer. :laugh1:
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They travelled all over the Alps to present the beer to the Pope. A barrel on the back of an ass, hopping up and down, hundreds of miles. The Pope, after tasting a lukewarm sample, said that it's fine for fasting.
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They traveled all over the Alps to present the beer to the Pope. A barrel on the back of an ass, hopping up and down, hundreds of miles. The Pope, after tasting a lukewarm sample, said that it's fine for fasting.
I remember hearing that story as well. Do you recall the source?
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They travelled all over the Alps to present the beer to the Pope. A barrel on the back of an ass, hopping up and down, hundreds of miles. The Pope, after tasting a lukewarm sample, said that it's fine for fasting.
At STAS we used to joke about a certain pre-Vatican II theologian who, after saying that beer doesn’t break the fast, then wrote that it’s OK to snack on stuff so the beer doesn’t give you a stomach ache “ne potus noceat”. This is clearly silly, since you’re not required to drink beer in the first place. But we’d joke about eating stuff between meals “ne potus noceat”. Another theologian basically defined as liquid anything that could be drawn through a straw, so we would joke about blending up a Big Mac so that it could be drawn through a large straw.
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At STAS we used to joke about a certain pre-Vatican II theologian who, after saying that beer doesn’t break the fast, then wrote that it’s OK to snack on stuff so the beer doesn’t give you a stomach ache “ne potus noceat”.
When I was reading the history of the lenten fast a few years ago, alcohol is precisely the reason that the monks added the snack/collation to lent, which used to be 1-meal-a-day. The monks used to have wine at dinnertime (though they had already had their 1-meal for the day). Because some monks couldn't handle drinking on an empty stomach, the monks allowed bread to be eaten. Thus, this practice eventually extended to the whole church.
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How would one go about doing a beer fast for Lent? The article doesn't really break down what he did.
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When I was reading the history of the lenten fast a few years ago, alcohol is precisely the reason that the monks added the snack/collation to lent, which used to be 1-meal-a-day. The monks used to have wine at dinnertime (though they had already had their 1-meal for the day). Because some monks couldn't handle drinking on an empty stomach, the monks allowed bread to be eaten. Thus, this practice eventually extended to the whole church.
Interesting. That part I didn't know. Of course we were joking that as long as we had a beer between meals, then we could snack ... to prevent "upset stomach". We often joked too that many of us ended up gaining weight during Lent. I think that it's because of what it does to your metabolism, especially when you have your big meal late in the evening.
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I think that it's because of what it does to your metabolism, especially when you have your big meal late in the evening.
Which kind of explains why so many EO priests are portly, due to their intense fasts.
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How would one go about doing a beer fast for Lent? The article doesn't really break down what he did.
Here's the guy's youtube channel, looks like he did a daily vlog.
https://www.youtube.com/c/DelHallSgtDel/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=grid
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Here's the guy's youtube channel, looks like he did a daily vlog.
https://www.youtube.com/c/DelHallSgtDel/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=grid
Nice. I don't think I could convince my employer to let me drink a beer at work though :laugh1:
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Nice. I don't think I could convince my employer to let me drink a beer at work though :laugh1:
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Maybe you could get a doctor to write a letter saying it was necessary for health reasons?
I thought about doing it as well, but I need to drive and would prefer to give my Lenten-alms to the poor, not the government (DUI). ;)
I may try skipping my evening meal and just have a beer and, if my stomach can't handle it alone, a snack.
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Reminds me of a joke I once heard.
An Irish man always went into a bar every Friday and ordered 3 beers. When asked about it, he said that he and his two brothers made a pact that even though they were hundreds of miles away from each other, every Friday they will get themselves a beer and a beer in remembrance of each of the two missing brothers. One day the Irish man came inside with a sad look on his face and ordered only two beers. Everyone at the bar knew of his pact so they all went to offer their condolences to the fact that one of his brothers died. He looked up at them and told them that none of his brothers died, he just gave up beer for lent.
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Maybe you could get a doctor to write a letter saying it was necessary for health reasons?
I thought about doing it as well, but I need to drive and would prefer to give my Lenten-alms to the poor, not the government (DUI). ;)
I may try skipping my evening meal and just have a beer and, if my stomach can't handle it alone, a snack.
Luckily I'm blessed with a high metabolism, so I burn through alcohol pretty quick. I was thinking maybe one in the morning, one at lunch, and then when I get home closer to midnight, or just substitute my dinner "snack" with something else
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A good quality beer contains vitamins and minerals. It’s actually healthy to have one daily.
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A good quality beer contains vitamins and minerals. It’s actually healthy to have one daily.
Sure, keep telling yourself that. :laugh1:
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A good quality beer contains vitamins and minerals. It’s actually healthy to have one daily.
Chimay, for one, produces some excellent, nutritious beers. Really good Old World beer and the horse-piss produced by American mega-breweries should not even go by the same name.
The post below this is mine, too. Forgot to check the box! :facepalm:
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Sure, keep telling yourself that. :laugh1:
It is true, and the vast, lengthy testimony of countless monasteries throughout Christendom backs it up.
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Reminds me of a joke I once heard.
An Irish man always went into a bar every Friday and ordered 3 beers. When asked about it, he said that he and his two brothers made a pact that even though they were hundreds of miles away from each other, every Friday they will get themselves a beer and a beer in remembrance of each of the two missing brothers. One day the Irish man came inside with a sad look on his face and ordered only two beers. Everyone at the bar knew of his pact so they all went to offer their condolences to the fact that one of his brothers died. He looked up at them and told them that none of his brothers died, he just gave up beer for lent.
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"Funny because it's true" Once again, a stereotype that lives up to reality!
On my dad's side of the family -- where I get my Irish last name from -- no one under 21 (probably no one under 18) failed to make liberal use of beer. Most of them smoked too. And this is a 4th generation Irish family -- at least. They loved to party. But even after generations in America, they acted like they just got off the boat. VERY down-to-earth; mostly blue-collar jobs. In fact, 2 of the boys inclined towards law enforcement! How Irish is that? They used a lot of Irish slang and everything -- the only thing they were missing was the accent.
Half of them had all the Irish traits -- taller, red hair, freckles, less hairy, etc. and the other half took after my Grandma (maiden name: Nelson) who had dark hair, as did my father. A lot of German on that side of the family.
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I remember hearing that story as well. Do you recall the source?
I believe that's "oral tradition". Today most breweries who make Starkbier, Bockbier, etc. have it on their website. No other source than 'legend' is given.
Maybe, some more business oriented monks made it up hundreds if not a thousand years ago. I'd say, more probably, one of their customers had three pints or more and a flash of wit.
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Beer is liquid bread.
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A good quality beer contains vitamins and minerals. It’s actually healthy to have one daily.
agreed.
The hops in a good beer really helps with morning sickness, too.
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Not to be scrupulous, but, does having a beer on Sunday profane the Holy day?
Nope. No alcohol profanes any day as long as you don't get drunk.
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It's difficult to find an appropriate dopplebock in stock in my area. I'm genuinely considering trying the beer fast.
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Maybe try the dairy farmers friend, Blatz ;)
I looked to see if they actually still made Blatz and found this::facepalm::laugh1:
(https://i.imgur.com/iLT3C03.png)
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Guinness is being boycotted because they are anti Catholic now.
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Guinness has always been anti-catholic because it was started by a Protestant. The Catholic version of the beer is Murphys. Guinness had commercial success because they were supported by British authorities...because the British are also anti-catholic.
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Guinness has always been anti-catholic because it was started by a Protestant. The Catholic version of the beer is Murphys. Guinness had commercial success because they were supported by British authorities...because the British are also anti-catholic.
Good to know. I'll be sure to avoid their beer now
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Guinness has always been anti-catholic because it was started by a Protestant. The Catholic version of the beer is Murphys. Guinness had commercial success because they were supported by British authorities...because the British are also anti-catholic.
Guinness is being boycotted because they are anti Catholic now.
Thanks! I'll look for Murphy's.
In the meantime, I'll use a little Chartreuse to beat the protestant froth out of the Guinness that I have.;)
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Nice. They have Murphy's stout at a store nearby. I'll have to pick some up on my way to work (no alcohol sales after 9pm here)
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A Cincinnati man has taken an all-or-nothing approach to Lent, deciding to consume nothing but beer for the 46 days leading up to Easter. (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tagged/easter) He has already lost 25 pounds from the fast and claims to feel “amazing.”
Interesting that he didn't even give up the beer fast on Sundays! Lent is 40 days but 46 if one counts the Sundays.
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Interesting that he didn't even give up the beer fast on Sundays! Lent is 40 days but 46 if one counts the Sundays.
That was me!
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Interesting that he didn't even give up the beer fast on Sundays! Lent is 40 days but 46 if one counts the Sundays.
I would imagine it would throw things off a bit if he went back to a regular diet one day out of the week.
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Nice. I don't think I could convince my employer to let me drink a beer at work though :laugh1:
Why does he need to know? ;)
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Why does he need to know? ;)
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Not to be scrupulous, but, does having a beer on Sunday profane the Holy day?
Yes, only marijuana is kosher on Sunday.
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