Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?  (Read 4963 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Änσnymσus

  • Guest
Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
« on: November 25, 2023, 01:21:58 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • I have been invited to the wedding of a secular friend. He is not religious and was previously married in a secular ceremony. That marriage lasted a couple years and ended in divorce. I was invited to his new wedding and I'm wondering if this would be permissible to attend. My gut says "no" but I couldn't get a straight answer from my priest. 
    Logged

    Offline FarmerWife

    • Supporter
    • ***
    • Posts: 517
    • Reputation: +319/-28
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #1 on: November 25, 2023, 01:27:00 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • I personally wouldn't.
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #2 on: November 25, 2023, 01:50:00 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 25, 2023, 01:21:58 PM
    I have been invited to the wedding of a secular friend. He is not religious and was previously married in a secular ceremony. That marriage lasted a couple years and ended in divorce. I was invited to his new wedding and I'm wondering if this would be permissible to attend. My gut says "no" but I couldn't get a straight answer from my priest.
    I'm interested in what he said. Would I be correct in guessing that he gave you points to weigh in order to make a decision but you are looking for a straight yes or no?
    Logged

    Offline Nadir

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 11934
    • Reputation: +7292/-500
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #3 on: November 25, 2023, 01:57:18 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Go with your gut! It is not a marriage.
    Logged
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #4 on: November 25, 2023, 02:11:08 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • by attending you would be giving tacit approval to adultery. If one were invited to a sodomite wedding
    I'm sure there would be no hesitation to decline. 
    Logged

    Offline 2Vermont

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 11328
    • Reputation: +6296/-1092
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #5 on: November 25, 2023, 02:13:00 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 25, 2023, 01:21:58 PM
    I have been invited to the wedding of a secular friend. He is not religious and was previously married in a secular ceremony. That marriage lasted a couple years and ended in divorce. I was invited to his new wedding and I'm wondering if this would be permissible to attend. My gut says "no" but I couldn't get a straight answer from my priest.
    I tend to think there is more to know about your "not religious" friend and his previous "secular" marriage.  That might be why your priest's response was more involved. 
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #6 on: November 25, 2023, 02:16:14 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: 2Vermont on November 25, 2023, 02:13:00 PM
    I tend to think there is more to know about your "not religious" friend and his previous "secular" marriage.  That might be why your priest's response was more involved.

    For instance, it's hardly implausible to suppose the man's "first" wife was actually on her second or third marriage, making their union invalid. There's more to be considered, I agree. 
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #7 on: November 25, 2023, 02:49:24 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 25, 2023, 01:21:58 PM
    My gut says "no" but I couldn't get a straight answer from my priest.
    Was it that the priest gave a long explanation covering all the ways that your friend's previous marriage wasn't canonically valid? If your friend was baptized and raised Catholic, his previous secular marriage was a serious lapse, and he'd be repeating that with the new woman. If your friend was raised in some non-Christian sect, then it was just a natural marriage, not a sin. 

    To keep it simple, Catholics should avoid being present at any ceremony that plays make-believe about marriage. 
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #8 on: November 25, 2023, 03:49:11 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • The friend is and has always been non religious. He celebrates giving gifts at Christmas but that is the closest thing.  The priest basically told me if me not attending with cause him to shut out any idea of the faith than it might be an option to attend. 

    As an above poster said, I'd automatically decline a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage" so I think I'm just going to go with my gut and not attend this event.
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #9 on: November 25, 2023, 04:02:17 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • You shouldn’t condone divorce even if by pagans.  Don’t go. 
    Logged

    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 46323
    • Reputation: +27280/-5037
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #10 on: November 25, 2023, 04:14:36 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Without evidence to the contrary, the individual's first marriage should be presumed valid, thus making this one a farce.  As such, you can't really show up because attendance at such an event is to tacitly approve of it and "celebrate" it, and in a sense witness it.  That's why weddings are public events, so they can be publicly witnessed.  If a wedding were in a Catholic setting and you knew of reasons why the marriage would not be valid, you'd be required to come forward with the information.
    Logged

    Online Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 46323
    • Reputation: +27280/-5037
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #11 on: November 25, 2023, 04:18:49 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 25, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
    The friend is and has always been non religious. He celebrates giving gifts at Christmas but that is the closest thing.  The priest basically told me if me not attending with cause him to shut out any idea of the faith than it might be an option to attend.

    Is this a Trad priest?  That's incredibly weak.  If anything, telling him why you can't attend might plant a seed in his brain about the faith ... especially if (and IMO there's a 90% chance) this one goes south and he's divorcing again in a few years.  Alternatively, if in your judgment, this would do no good, or might cause harm, you could always come up with some alternative excuse (using mental reservation).  But one can't condone his living in sin and give the impression you consider that a marriage.  This sounds like the priest's codeword for giving in to human respect ... which rarely wins converts.
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #12 on: November 25, 2023, 05:03:32 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/are-people-married-in-non-catholic-ceremonies-really-married/msg859528/?PHPSESSID=k10fm978nc9p7s924c6q3qps64#msg859528

    According to the chart here, 2 non catholics in civil marriage are valid. Though I suppose the question becomes is divorce valid for them?
    Logged

    Online HeavyHanded

    • Supporter
    • **
    • Posts: 184
    • Reputation: +198/-19
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #13 on: November 26, 2023, 03:45:22 AM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 25, 2023, 05:03:32 PM
    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/are-people-married-in-non-catholic-ceremonies-really-married/msg859528/?PHPSESSID=k10fm978nc9p7s924c6q3qps64#msg859528

    According to the chart here, 2 non catholics in civil marriage are valid. Though I suppose the question becomes is divorce valid for them?
    No, divorce is never valid, because divorce is fake.
    Logged

    Änσnymσus

    • Guest
    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #14 on: November 26, 2023, 04:19:08 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: HeavyHanded on November 26, 2023, 03:45:22 AM
    No, divorce is never valid, because divorce is fake.
    So even valid secular marriages can't be split by the state?
    Logged
    Pages: [1] 2
    « previous next »