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Offline Nadir

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Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2023, 04:49:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 26, 2023, 04:19:08 AM
    So even valid secular marriages can't be split by the state?
    Marriage is a lifelong commitment even for those without religion. The state is not within its rights to declare that marriage can be dissolved. It is an aberration. Marriage is not concubinage.
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #16 on: November 26, 2023, 06:40:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on November 26, 2023, 04:49:02 AM
    Marriage is a lifelong commitment even for those without religion. The state is not within its rights to declare that marriage can be dissolved. It is an aberration. Marriage is not concubinage.
    I am going to assume that if a Catholic marries a non-catholic then they can get divorce as their marriage is not valid as per that table posted above?
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #17 on: November 26, 2023, 01:27:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on November 26, 2023, 04:49:02 AM
    Marriage is a lifelong commitment even for those without religion. The state is not within its rights to declare that marriage can be dissolved. It is an aberration. Marriage is not concubinage.
    The state can set laws and procedures regarding the contracting of marriages, and those who are not Catholics, assuming they are otherwise free to marry, do marry validly when they follow these laws and procedures.  But the state has no power to dissolve marriages, not even those between two unbaptized persons (or one baptized and one unbaptized person) that are natural rather than sacramental marriages.  The state arrogates this power unto itself, but that does not mean the state has that power.
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #18 on: November 26, 2023, 02:04:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 26, 2023, 06:40:32 AM
    I am going to assume that if a Catholic marries a non-catholic then they can get divorce as their marriage is not valid as per that table posted above?
    Divorce is about civil law. There's no such thing as a Catholic divorce. If it was only a civil marriage, then divorce undoes the civil marriage.

    The exception is if the Catholic got permission to marry that non-Catholic in the Church, but that's not a common thing. If that's what happened, then the Church says they're married till death do they part.
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #19 on: November 26, 2023, 02:08:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on November 26, 2023, 04:49:02 AM
    Marriage is a lifelong commitment even for those without religion. The state is not within its rights to declare that marriage can be dissolved. It is an aberration. Marriage is not concubinage.

    Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 26, 2023, 06:40:32 AM
    I am going to assume that if a Catholic marries a non-catholic then they can get divorce as their marriage is not valid as per that table posted above?
    I cannot see your reasoning. I am not talking about mixed marriage. I am not talking about validity or otherwise. I am talking about the nature of Marriage.

    Simple Man has the point. Marriage is a contract for life by its very nature, even a natural marriage.
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #20 on: November 26, 2023, 02:20:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 26, 2023, 04:19:08 AM
    So even valid secular marriages can't be split by the state?

    "Can" vs. "shall". Can someone rob a bank? Yes, someone can rob a bank. Shall someone rob a bank? No, thou shalt not steal.

    Can the state split a secular marriage? Yes. Shall the state do this? No. The fact that the state does it only makes it technically legal, it doesn't make it right. For proof, look at all the other kinds of legalized sin.

    That's the essence of what SimpleMan, Nadir, HeavyHanded, and a few of the Anonymous posts are saying.
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #21 on: November 26, 2023, 04:05:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Soubirous on November 26, 2023, 02:20:27 PM
    "Can" vs. "shall". Can someone rob a bank? Yes, someone can rob a bank. Shall someone rob a bank? No, thou shalt not steal.

    Can the state split a secular marriage? Yes. Shall the state do this? No. The fact that the state does it only makes it technically legal, it doesn't make it right. For proof, look at all the other kinds of legalized sin.

    That's the essence of what SimpleMan, Nadir, HeavyHanded, and a few of the Anonymous posts are saying.
    Thanks for the responses. I have a 'catholic' family member who has gotten a divorce and im not sure if they got married in the Church or not. So what matters is if the marriage is valid or not.
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    Re: Attending Secular Marriage of Divorced and Remarried?
    « Reply #22 on: November 26, 2023, 09:38:52 PM »
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    • Personally, I’d not attend.  I can’t give my blessing to something that may be state sanctioned adultery or concubinage.  Make a commitment to some other activity and politely decline because you already have another commitment.  
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