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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2018, 04:32:57 AM »
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  • What if the "funeral" is really a "non-religious memorial service"? Is it permissible not to attend in that case?
    You sound very confused.  The issue should always be whether it is permissible to attend, not whether it is permissible to not attend. According to Catholic law, Catholics may attend non-Catholic funeral services so long as they do not actively participate. If a memorial service is non-religious, technically you can participate, but I would strongly discourage that because oftentimes what starts off as a so-called "non-religious" memorial service can end up including religious references or non-religious references that actually go against the Catholic Faith.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #16 on: April 19, 2018, 05:59:43 AM »
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    "But what if the parent hates and refuses traditional Catholic priests, wants Novus Ordo "sacraments" (such as receiving "communion" from a woman or other abominations), and has a Novus Ordo funeral. Is a child obliged to attend such a funeral?"

    We are never obliged to offend God, not for anyone, not even for our parents - and for me, that's what I would be doing if I attend a NO abomination for any reason. 

    I can only imagine being in the situation the OP is in. All I keep coming up with is, I would walk out before the service starts, or not enter the NO church at all until after the service is completely and totally over. That is the only true way to not participate.

    About 20 years ago, the one time I attended a NO funeral service, it was for a young man I worked with who died suddenly - to this day I regret ever "going but not participating" to that complete blasphemous, mockery of the True Mass. I'll never do that again! It really about made me throw up to see what goes on at one of those things. It is no wonder this world is in such a mess.  I will never in my life ever do that again, not ever again no matter who dies - and I recommend that others do the same - just stay out.





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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #17 on: April 19, 2018, 09:22:41 AM »
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  • We are never obliged to offend God, not for anyone, not even for our parents - and for me, that's what I would be doing if I attend a NO abomination for any reason. 
    You are flat-out wrong about this.  The traditional Code of Canon Law expressly permits Catholics to attend non-Catholic weddings or funerals, so long as the Catholic does not actively participate.  There is no sin in it, and it does not offend God.  If this is permitted, they obviously attendance at a Novus Ordo funeral for one's own parent is permitted and there is no sin it in.
    Making up non-existence sins is just as soul-crushing as laxity.

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #18 on: April 19, 2018, 12:00:33 PM »
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  • You are flat-out wrong about this.  The traditional Code of Canon Law expressly permits Catholics to attend non-Catholic weddings or funerals, so long as the Catholic does not actively participate.  There is no sin in it, and it does not offend God.  If this is permitted, they obviously attendance at a Novus Ordo funeral for one's own parent is permitted and there is no sin it in.
    Making up non-existence sins is just as soul-crushing as laxity.
    The anti-"mass" is not included because it was not invented when the traditional Code of Canon Law was written. To even think that that they would have permitted Catholics to attend a service whose sole purpose is to mock the Holy Sacrifice and destroy the faith of billions and ultimately, as if it were possible, even the Church, means you have no idea what you're even talking about.

    The new mass - particularly the funeral version, is a blasphemous mockery of the sacrifice of Calvary and gravely offends God. Stay away no matter what. It is best to stay away even from those who will not stay away from it.

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #19 on: April 19, 2018, 02:17:11 PM »
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  • Even if he was a very bad man, he was still your father. I am not asking you to approve any errors or bad behavior that he engaged in. You should still at least pray for the repose of his soul.  
    Agree with you completely. But you can do this without attending the sacrilegious Novus Ordo,which dishonors God. That is my point.


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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #20 on: April 19, 2018, 03:10:11 PM »
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  • Wow such angry filth.  [READ: Righteous indignation]did I say anyone could do what they want?[Well, isn't that what is done during the Novus Ordos? Anything they want? and yet you voluntarily witness these sacrileges for no good reason, because there is no good reason, ever, for showing approval by your attendance at a sacrilege.] No.  Did I say God's honor to be ignored?[Well then, would you stand up and say something in protest?] No.  "Witnessing sacrilege in silence,"  What are you going to do? Protest your own father's funeral. [Absolutely,yes! Protest and boycott the sacrilege going on around his corpse. God first, not my father] The sacrilege and heresies of the NO exist regardless of the dainty pedestal you sit upon.[Correct. And you are not allowed to show your approval by being present when they are happening--silence gives consent.]  Ok, so he was not one of the 100k Traditional Catholics in the world.  Try thinking practically[No, I am thinking vertically and spiritually and you would be a better Catholic if you did the same] and not like a zealot.[Yes,sentimental,liberal backyard theologians always accuse Catholics who think vertically of fanaticism--you just choose to use the word "zealot" as a synonym for fanaticism. But remember Our Lord's words: "Anyone who loves mother or father or... more than Me is not worthy of Me." The humanists,atheists and liberals will call Our Lord a fanatic, nay, even a monster, for statements like this. You sound like you would be at least scandalized by it since you put "your" father's sacrilegeous funeral before the honor,dignity and respect we owe to God. FYI: Three things are necessary for a human act to be morally good--1) the act must be good in its nature, good in its 2) circuмstances and 3) good in its intention. If even one of these three are not fulfilled then the act is considered immoral. I am not questioning you on # 1 and 3. Only, only on #2--the circuмstances.]Like I said before:

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #21 on: April 19, 2018, 04:10:01 PM »
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  • The anti-"mass" is not included because it was not invented when the traditional Code of Canon Law was written. To even think that that they would have permitted Catholics to attend a service whose sole purpose is to mock the Holy Sacrifice and destroy the faith of billions and ultimately, as if it were possible, even the Church, means you have no idea what you're even talking about.

    The new mass - particularly the funeral version, is a blasphemous mockery of the sacrifice of Calvary and gravely offends God. Stay away no matter what. It is best to stay away even from those who will not stay away from it.
    I will not fault someone who chooses not to go to a Novus Ordo funeral service; however, it is perfectly Catholic to choose to go and not participate based on pre-Vatican II Church Law.  Until we have a true Lawgiver who states otherwise, it is appropriate for a Catholic to attend the Novus Ordo funeral.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #22 on: April 19, 2018, 08:46:49 PM »
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  • I will not fault someone who chooses not to go to a Novus Ordo funeral service; however, it is perfectly Catholic to choose to go and not participate based on pre-Vatican II Church Law.  Until we have a true Lawgiver who states otherwise, it is appropriate for a Catholic to attend the Novus Ordo funeral.
    Uh-huh...and quietly assent to the denial of the doctrine of Purgatory with the white vestments,flowers, humanistic eulogies, and instant canonization all the while. All you need is love. Wow. You sure sound like you killed your conscience, Vermont.


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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #23 on: April 19, 2018, 09:45:44 PM »
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  • Uh-huh...and quietly assent to the denial of the doctrine of Purgatory with the white vestments,flowers, humanistic eulogies, and instant canonization all the while. All you need is love. Wow. You sure sound like you killed your conscience, Vermont.
    Does the 1917 canon law permit one to passively attend the funeral of a christ hating Jєω yes or no? If yes then why would it not be permissible to passively attend the no funeral?

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #24 on: April 19, 2018, 10:42:20 PM »
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  • Does the 1917 canon law permit one to passively attend the funeral of a christ hating Jєω yes or no?
    1917 Code can. 1258 doesn't explicitly forbid it, but such a situation probably needs the bishop's approval.

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #25 on: April 19, 2018, 10:58:21 PM »
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  • Agree with you completely. But you can do this without attending the sacrilegious Novus Ordo,which dishonors God. That is my point.
    If the 1917 Code allows one to attend even a Protestant funeral surely you could at least attend the NOvus Ordo mass for your father.

     


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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #26 on: April 20, 2018, 05:02:01 AM »
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  • Uh-huh...and quietly assent to the denial of the doctrine of Purgatory with the white vestments,flowers, humanistic eulogies, and instant canonization all the while. All you need is love. Wow. You sure sound like you killed your conscience, Vermont.
    If the Church says it is okay to passively attend non-Catholic funerals (any non-Catholic funeral), you are stating that the Church is allowing others to "quietly assent" to the beliefs of those non-Catholic funerals by doing so.
    There is no Lawgiver stating that passive attendance is sinful.  Only an "Anonymous" Cathinfo poster.  I will stick with the 1917 Canon Law given by a true Catholic pope.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #27 on: April 20, 2018, 07:48:42 AM »
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  • Uh-huh...and quietly assent to the denial of the doctrine of Purgatory with the white vestments, flowers, humanistic eulogies, and instant canonization all the while. All you need is love. Wow. You sure sound like you killed your conscience, Vermont.
    If the old Canon law states it allows passive attendance, then drop the holier than thou attitude.

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    « Reply #28 on: April 20, 2018, 08:36:15 AM »
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  • If the old Canon law states it allows passive attendance, then drop the holier than thou attitude.
    Its the lone wolf mentality, rigid personal interpretation, sweeping condemnation of other souls fighting in tradition that causes strife within Tradition.

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    Re: Attend funeral of apostate parent?
    « Reply #29 on: April 20, 2018, 11:08:17 AM »
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  • Its the lone wolf mentality, rigid personal interpretation, sweeping condemnation of other souls fighting in tradition that causes strife within Tradition.
    Yes, by all means, fight tradition by attending and non-participating at a condemned service. :facepalm:

    Good thing those trads in the 60s, 70s, and before your time didn't have that same mentality.

    ....Would anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.