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Author Topic: Attend Baby Shower of IVF Conception?  (Read 13712 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Attend Baby Shower of IVF Conception?
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2023, 08:15:41 AM »
This is why "ask a priest" is often terrible advice. It should be "ask a holy and well-formed priest if you have one"

Given the state of the Church, "ask a priest" is worthless advice where it comes to theological approaches to the Crisis.  I might make sense with regard to established questions of theology, like asking a priest about the Holy Trinity or Immaculate Conception, etc.  But questions about whether SVism is right or R&R, the answer will depend on which group the priest belongs to.

Same goes with moral theology, as in general they're probably educated in many of the core principles, but where it comes to applying them to concrete situations, and prudential judgments, you'll probably get answers all over the map.

And, sadly, there are many seminary-trained priests who simply didn't absorb much of what they were taught there.  I've known priests ordained through SSPX who didn't know 10% as much as your average poster on CathInfo.  And I've known a few priests who were ordained prior to Vatican II whose knowledge did not exceed the contents of the Baltimore Catechism.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Attend Baby Shower of IVF Conception?
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2023, 08:22:00 AM »
So, if a couple is adopting a baby via arrangement with a pregnant young lady who can’t raise the child, going to the shower implies my approval of fornication, adultery, rape, or even incest?  Then I guess I committed a serious sin in going to the baby shower of an unborn child being adopted by the woman’s drug addict sister.

That makes no sense.  As I said, it's the context that matters.   This couple adopting the child are doing something praiseworthy.  You're celebrating this couple welcoming the child into their family, not the original circuмstances of how the baby was produced.  Now, if the couple who were throwing the baby shower had conceived the child through adultery or fornication, that's not something to celebrate, but adoption by a different couple, the context of what you'd be celebrating, is a completely different thing.


Re: Attend Baby Shower of IVF Conception?
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2023, 06:40:07 PM »
And, sadly, there are many seminary-trained priests who simply didn't absorb much of what they were taught there.  I've known priests ordained through SSPX who didn't know 10% as much as your average poster on CathInfo.  And I've known a few priests who were ordained prior to Vatican II whose knowledge did not exceed the contents of the Baltimore Catechism.

That would exceed the knowledge of many a post-Vatican II priest.

Re: Attend Baby Shower of IVF Conception?
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2023, 06:42:04 PM »
OP here: Talking to them would do no good, they are so warped.  They think IVF science is glorious.  Shame never enters the mind.  It’s “medical” so it’s not self-abuse, they rationalize, it’s”a procedure.” 

The sin has been sanitized, and the shame with it.

As an example of how far gone they are, here’s a pic they posted on their Facebook page:




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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2023, 08:37:49 PM »
I have a cousin who had a double lung transplant.  (No, not Catholic.)  Do I rebuke her for being alive and refuse to associate with her?  You can’t undo a lung transplant.  (Well, you can, but the doctor who does it is guilty of murder and my cousin and those that approve are guilty of ѕυιcιdє or aiding in ѕυιcιdє and murder!)  What about her daughter?  Her grandkids?  Her husband?  These are not people I see on any kind of regular basis, but I’ve often wondered where to draw the line. 

Is it my duty to correct the sins of distant relatives?  What about getting a list of people who have designated themselves organ donors on their auto licenses?  I used to check people’s licenses all day when I was a cashier and they wanted to pay by check or credit card.  Should I have corrected or rebuked each one, and if that wasn’t feasible, quit my job? 

 Now what is wrong with being an organ donor? Why do you care people have it on their license? The only people I have heard rejecting organ donation POST MORTEM are jehovas witness. In what world is it wrong to donate organs you no longer need (because you are dead)??