It seems that the District Superior of the Asia District of the SSPX realizes that the majority of priests and faithful in his district are against the deal with Rome. It seems unlikely that he will publicly support the deal even though, as it has been claimed elsewhere on this forum, that he belongs to Bishop Fellay's "inner circle".

Bishop Bernard Fellay seems to have inflicted severe damage on the morale of the priests, at least one of whom said he might quit the priesthood altogether. The priests no longer hide their views about Fellay.

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It seems that the District Superior of the Asia District of the SSPX realizes that the majority of priests and faithful in his district are against the deal with Rome. It seems unlikely that he will publicly support the deal even though, as it has been claimed elsewhere on this forum, that he belongs to Bishop Fellay's "inner circle".

Bishop Bernard Fellay seems to have inflicted severe damage on the morale of the priests, at least one of whom said he might quit the priesthood altogether. The priests no longer hide their views about Fellay.

This is false. Yes, there are priests who have publicly voiced their opposition to any deal, but what the District Superior has publicly informed us is to pray and to wait for the outcome, then decide.

Thanks for telling us this is false. This was the latest news given by a priest yesterday. Lots of falsities going around. Not least from the mouth of the Superior General himself. We should not be surprised.

It seems that the District Superior of the Asia District of the SSPX realizes that the majority of priests and faithful in his district are against the deal with Rome. It seems unlikely that he will publicly support the deal even though, as it has been claimed elsewhere on this forum, that he belongs to Bishop Fellay's "inner circle".

Bishop Bernard Fellay seems to have inflicted severe damage on the morale of the priests, at least one of whom said he might quit the priesthood altogether. The priests no longer hide their views about Fellay.

No real traditional Catholic priest quits the priesthood just like that. That could only mean his foundation was shaky from the very beginning or there are some psychological issues such as depression at work. Read "Rules for Discerning Spirits" by Fr. Barrielle regarding depression. The devil is at large!

Ultimately will it come down to the issue of bread and butter? Who knows which way the priests will turn once the deal is official, but as things are today, it seems that all the priests of the Asia District have some or the other reservation against the deal barring Fr Laisney who shows some optimism concerning this issue.

Ultimately will it come down to the issue of bread and butter? Who knows which way the priests will turn once the deal is official, but as things are today, it seems that all the priests of the Asia District have some or the other reservation against the deal barring Fr Laisney who shows some optimism concerning this issue.

Based on what I've read so far from Fr Laisney, he is waiting for the details before deciding. As Fr. Girouard said in his sermon, why all the fuss for now?

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Ultimately will it come down to the issue of bread and butter? Who knows which way the priests will turn once the deal is official, but as things are today, it seems that all the priests of the Asia District have some or the other reservation against the deal barring Fr Laisney who shows some optimism concerning this issue.

Based on what I've read so far from Fr Laisney, he is waiting for the details before deciding. As Fr. Girouard said in his sermon, why all the fuss for now?

Maybe Fr Laisney's writings say that we must wait for the details ( I haven't read any of them - seem too long for me!). But when you speak to him he sounds optimistic about the future, especially if there will be no strings attached to the deal and the Society will be accepted on an " as is, where is" basis. I dont know if this is possible. What do you think? Many years ago, in my area of Asia, the local Church refused the TLM saying that it would be divisive. Now they have another problem of Masses in English making advances against the Mass in the local language! Dont think they would want an extra headache. Knowing the few that attend the SSPX Masses they don't bother us at all.

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What you say is quite possible. But taken at face value Bishop Fellay has virtually ended the raison etre of Tradition by accepting the New Mass and Vatican II and not insisting on doctrine before a deal. Maybe this priest thinks that his Traditional Catholic Priesthood is redundant and he does not want to be a part of the Novus Ordo.

I have no idea who is writing this, however, whoever it is, you have either expessed yourself poorly or you don't understand what the Catholic Church is.

Bishop Fellay can no more virtually end the raison etre of Tradition than pigs can fly. And no true priest trained under the present SSPX system could think that his Traditional Catholic Priesthood is redundant

As another unidentified guest said, (or was it the same one?!) Lots of falsities going around.
  for Asia.

According to Bishop Fellay Vatican II can be understood in the light of Tradition and the Council of Trent. Hence, the poster obviously meant that Tradition, as practiced and promoted outside the official structures of the Church, has no "raison d'etre".

When you say that no true priest trained under the present SSPX system could think that his Tradition Catholic Priesthood is redundant, are you not aware that some of your own SSPX graduates from Australia are now cab drivers instead of priests, and that not so long ago, Fr Brendan Arthur joined the Novus Ordo? If the latter can still be called a  Traditional Catholic Priest then there's no problem in saying that Fellay has ended the "raison d'etre" of Tradition.

Are you aware of how many SSPX priests have quit?

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Latest news is that Fr. J Pfeiffer is in the US now. Fr. Rostand told him not to give sermons on this topic, to which Fr. Pfefifer agreed. Let's see how long this agreement lasts.

And Fr F.Chazal has been confined to Tanay Mass Center it has been said. It will be bearable for him if there are pizza bars in the area!.

I have listened to his latest sermon in Korea. He wants the Pope to condemn Vatican II in its entirety? Wishful thinking. The Archbishop's principle:

"What agrees with Tradition, we accept; what is doubtful, we understand as Tradition has always taught it; what is opposed, we reject."

If all the V2 docuмents are to be rejected, then the conclusion is Archbishop Lefebvre was wrong to have signed even a single docuмent of V2, when in fact he signed all, as confirmed by Marcel Lefebvre: The Biography by Bishop Tissier. But we know that the Archbishop only contested signing 2 docuмent, i.e. Gaudium et spes and Dignitatis Humanae.

http://ecclesia-militans.blogspot.com/2006/06/rev-father-peter-scott-on-archbishop.html